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"My parents taught me that your word is your bond and you do what you say."
"Actions speak louder than words."
"You can't judge a book by it's cover."
"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."
"Better safe than sorry."
"Hit the ground running."
"It was a win win situation."
What do all those phrases have in common?
Answer: They are common cliches.
Plagiarism isn't a partisan issue. It's not a difficult concept and is clearly defined. Work is either original or it's not (and you're not allowed up claim that it is yours). Anyone with a grade-school understanding of language and literature understands what plagiarism is.
In this case, a portion of the speech was nearly verbatim to Michelle's speech. Two paragraphs had an identical chain of ideas, and the language used to express those ideas were, too, identical. The work was then presented in the same context as its original, at a political convention. And, very unfortunately for Melania, she claimed the speech as her own earlier that day.
Anyone in academia understands well how severe and unethical any degree of plagiarism is. This mistake is clearly undeniably and irrefutably the definition of plagiarism. To say it's not is meaningless and works to invalidate everything else you say.
No, it's a big problem for the koolaide drinkers that will love Clinton to the end. I'm surprised, actually, that her supporters think this IS a big deal. I mean, wasn't her defense about her email server, and sending classified documents, just passed off as "sloppy and unprofessional"? I love how you're showing the true colors of the DNC. Muslim and illegal immigrants must be defended, but a LEGAL immigrant woman is mocked. Nice.....
If the RNC and Trump cared about Melania they would find out who wrote the speech and fire them and publicly admit that a staffer screwed up and that the mistake was not recognized before she gave her speech, thus restoring her credibility. But no, they would rather double down and try to blame Hillary. Seems to me that they are the ones who don't give a crap about the "legal immigrant woman" since they clearly left her swingin' in the wind
This is some strange passive aggressiveness you are spinning.
I have no idea what your point is, you seem to be employing the tactic of, "Are you guys really going to call a spade a spade??!! HA idiots!!!" But there is no point behind it. None. You are not debating anything, you are posting just to make yourself heard.
Yes, Melania Trump is a plagiarizer based on the facts we know today. No amount of spin or passive aggressive tantrum is going to change that.
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If you really believe that, you should be pleased as punch that Michelle's thoughts, ideas and values were copied. The left should be crowing about that, not getting their panties in a wad. Or isn't that the spin you would like?
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA
It's not matter of "words", and you know it. A college paper with that degree of plagiarism would have failed a student. Well, OK - not at Trump U, a real college.
It was tongue-in-cheek sarcasm. I would have thought it obvious to anyone.
Unless they just want a springboard to further malign the opposition.
Looks like some GOPers are now reduced to the Sarah Palin defense:
Put a woman forth as a bright political individual with worthwhile ideas.
Said woman says or does something less than worthwhile.
Criticism ensues.
GOP immediately turns to "How dare you hit a girl!" mode
Melania is close to being a victim in this. Her staff had one job - make her give a decent speech. And they blew it to an astonishing degree. This campaign is giving the word "amateurish" a bad name.
I'll gladly bet on it. You see, you've never produced a reality show and you don't really understand the game of marketing manipulation. You just think that the Democrats were so smart in catching something that was going to be obviously caught.
Read about war and tactics and understand traps. The Democrats have just blundered into a big one. Watch how women gather around and protect one of their own from the bad, bad men who surround her and trying to blame her. Poor, poor immigrant woman, who is being attacked by the Bully media and Democratic party.
Democratic Apparatchiks are pure and simple neophytes. That is how easily they are manipulated by everyone who desires so.
LOL. Yes, it was all part of your candidate's master plan to make sure his wife was ridiculed on the National stage. I guarantee you Trump is FURIOUS about this and he has no one to blame except his own campaign staff. Well, and Hillary of course.
Someone failed to do their job. Plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by SunGrins
Trump and his campaign made her look extremely stupid at a time when she could have soared in front of a national audience. It is a shame but it revealed some underlying truths of the campaign... they are sloppy at best, think they are dealing with fools, and are willing to sacrifice anyone for the ego of Dear Leader Trump.
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA
So it's going to be "We totally meant to do that." Interesting strategy.
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Originally Posted by Marlow
So now you're saying that this was all a plot by the Trump campaign to make Melania look bad, get attacked by Democrats and then emerge triumphant?
You realize that this conflicts 100% with the Trump campaign's explanation? Or is Manafort's explanation that Hillary caused all of this also part of the grand scheme?
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Originally Posted by richrf
Oh, I'm deadly serious. The problem is that Democrats think they are all so smart. Clinton is now polling at the abysmal 40 level and Trump is leading her on two polls. You guys are way over your head.
Still trying to get us to vote for Trump, huh? Won't work.
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Originally Posted by Marlow
Except where some Trump supporters are saying the whole thing was planned to make the Democrats attack Melania, which will result in voters rallying to support Trump.
It's a head-scratcher for sure.
The Trumpeters are masters of The Spin.
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Originally Posted by Marlow
Someone in the Trump campaign made a yuuuge, glaring mistake and no amount of spin will change that. But just keep trotting out your silly justifications if it makes you feel better.
It's just another example of the sloppiness of his campaign.
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Originally Posted by Modification Specialist
Looking for details - you compare....lol!!!!!
What?
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Originally Posted by tamajane
I'm sure she was told to say the speech was hers to make her seem smart and engaged. So "they" made an idiot out of her by pulling those lines from the current first lady's speech. Really bad. I don't think too many people are thinking hard enough about this to feel sorry for Mrs. Trump. It looks like lying even if Melania had no idea those words were taken from Mrs. Obama's speech.
I agree. I doubt that she wrote it herself and Paul Manaforte left her out to dry this morning. "She knew what she was doing'.
I DO feel sorry for her.
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Originally Posted by whocares811
I think the key question is WHY wasn't this caught before she spoke.
Doesn't it seem reasonable that one of Donald's senior advisors or speech writers would do some proofing first?
Didn't read the whole thread but a couple of points:
One, does Michelle actually own the words now? Can people not feel the same about points and use the language they like? Haven't we all done that? I sure don't feel guilty, but I am not a victim of the thought police either.
Does anyone think Michelle wrote her own speech? Did anybody read her college term paper ?
They probably had the same speech writers.
The media must be Desperate to go through an entire speech and nitpick like that
Big deal, and time to move on to ACTUAL issues that affect American citizens.
Absolute FAIL!
Michelle 'owns' her composition.
Michelle or her ghost writer did not plagiarize her speech.
Melania says she wrote her own speech.
The plagiarized portions of the speech were patently clear to even the casual observer.
Plagiarism does affect American citizens: Ask any writer trying to earn a living from authentic work. Ask any school or university student or professor.
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