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Originally Posted by RetiredElizabeth
Well the truth hurts, there was no ISIS before Obama took Office and as far as H goes every place she went on behalf of his agenda has become a hot bed that the next President will need to straighten out and if my son or daughter was in a firefight and pinned down begging for help I for one would not trust H to send them help after what happened Benghazi.
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By "truth," do you mean the truth being peddled by a snake oil salesman (Trump University)? Here's just one fact (read below), ISIS was founded during the Bush administration.
Read on:
In reality, by the Trump/Trump zealot logic, the founding fathers of ISIS were George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and all of the neocons who invaded Iraq on the cheap with an inadequate force, allowing the Shia/Sunni divide to explode. We weren't willing to commit the resources needed for an occupation, which would have required sealing the Iraq/Iran border to prevent Iranian interference in Iraqi domestic affairs.
Do you even know who Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is, and who released him from U.S. custody?
Former Military Official Says George W. Bush Created ISIS | US News
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Donald Trump claims that President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “founded ISIS.” But the origin of the Islamic State terrorist group dates back to the Bush administration.
Trump points to the withdrawal of troops from Iraq in 2011, under Obama, as “the founding of ISIS,” but experts say the expansion of the Islamic State after that point can’t be pinned on the troop withdrawal alone — if at all. And there’s the fact that President George W. Bush had signed the agreement and set the date for that withdrawal.>>
And Trump has a very, very short memory:
<<Furthermore, Trump himself supported withdrawing troops from Iraq as early as 2007, telling CNN in a
March 16, 2007, interview that the U.S. should “declare victory and leave, because I’ll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. … [T]his is a total catastrophe and you might as well get out now, because you just are wasting time.”>>
Trump’s False Obama-ISIS Link
Was Trump a founder of ISIS?
Do Trump supporters even remember the consequences of George W.'s disbandment of the Iraqi army?
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Here is what happened: In 2003, the U.S. military, on orders of President Bush, invaded Iraq, and nineteen days later threw out Saddam’s government. A few days after that, President Bush or someone in his Administration decreed the dissolution of the Iraqi Army. This decision didn’t throw “thirty thousand individuals” out of a job, as Ziedrich said—the number was closer to ten times that. Overnight, at least two hundred and fifty thousand Iraqi men—armed, angry, and with military training—were suddenly humiliated and out of work.
This was probably the single most catastrophic decision of the American venture in Iraq....
I talked to American military commanders who told me that leaders of entire Iraqi divisions (a division has roughly ten thousand troops) had come to them for instructions and expressed a willingness to coöperate. In fact, many American commanders argued vehemently at the time that the Iraqi military should be kept intact—that disbanding it would turn too many angry young men against the United States. But the Bush White House went ahead.
Many of those suddenly unemployed Iraqi soldiers took up arms against the United States. We’ll never know for sure how many Iraqis would have stayed in the Iraqi Army—and stayed peaceful—had it remained intact. But the evidence is overwhelming that former Iraqi soldiers formed the foundation of the insurgency.>>
Did George W. Bush Create ISIS? - The New Yorker
Do you even know that after the Persian Gulf War, when we had a much more powerful military force in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, that George H. W. Bush and Jim Baker refused to invade Iraq, because they knew if they broke Iraq, they would own it? Shrub ignored the advice of Baker and H.W. to stay out of Iraq.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/08/25/iraq.baker/
What a better deal the senior Bush and Baker left Clinton than the mess, both overseas and domestically, that George W. and the Republicans foisted on Obama.
How many American troops would Obama have had to keep in Iraq to protect it from ISIS? How many more Americans would have died in Iraq, especially as the Iranian-supported Shia militia would have targeted the remaining American forces? How many Americans want a perpetual presence in Iraq, on a likely greater scale than our decades-long presence in South Korea? How are we going to pay for it, by borrowing hundreds of billions more, the Republican method of financing the Iraq War?
The Trump lovers that believe his ignorant lies are a sorry lot. And they have pitifully poor memories. Trump "truth" is that of a proven snake oil salesman. Even if Trump's supporters want to drink what he is selling, they could at least of the decency of not forcing it down the throats of others.
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Snake oil salesman truth, or historical truth? There's a difference
