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Old 10-19-2016, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Clinton, the DNC, et. al. keep stating that Russia is attempting to influence our elections.

In the debate, Clinton blamed these Wikileaks, DNC Hacks, etc. at the hands of Russia. Rather than focusing on the content of the leaks, she simply blamed Russia for hacking.

Is there any actual proof Russia is responsible for any of these leaks?

Gimmeabreak!

What we HAVE are audios of Dem operatives explaining how they're circumventing federal laws regarding super pacs not colluding with the DNC, outlining their dirty tricks, and saying that they don't care about ethics and legalities because "we gotta WIN this thing!"

Russia had nothing to do with anything.
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Old 10-19-2016, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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from Intel sources -- yes- you can believe what you want- where are my vets?? they know about chatter --
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Old 10-19-2016, 08:15 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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The Bush administration's claim to "bad intel" was bogus.

Ambassador Joe Wilson refuted their so-called intelligence reports that Saddam Hussein was attempting to purchase nuclear material from Niger. The Bush administration outed hiis wife, a covert CIA employee working to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, over his speaking publicly about it.

The Bush administration trotted out that ridiculous Ahmad Chalabi who was rejected by all intelligence services at the time as a "documented fraud, a fake" according to Scott Ritter, a former UNSCOM weapons inspector. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_a...ss_destruction

Anyone who listened to that Chalabi for five minutes could see he was weasel and that putting any faith in what he was peddling was foolish.

This intel didn't come from different government agencies. Many of them were refuting the "intelligence" cooked up by the Bush administration.
It wasn't just the Bush admin that had claims about Saddam and WMD's, several other governments were saying the same thing. They just chose to believe the wrong information and stuck with it no matter what other evidence said for political reasons.
At this point you also have independent experts who are saying that they really don't know for sure who is behind the hacks.

The point being, Intel they chose to follow/point to was horribly WRONG then and it got us into a war so what's changed other than the person(s) in the big chair(s)?
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Old 10-19-2016, 08:19 AM
 
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Senator Marco Rubio has stated what I believe: these emails were stolen, apparently by a foreign government to influence our election, and so they should be ignored, including by Donald John Trump:




Exclusive: Rubio: I Won't Talk About Wikileaks, and Neither Should Donald Trump - ABC News


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"As our intelligence agencies have said, these leaks are an effort by a foreign government to interfere with our electoral process and I will not indulge it,†Rubio tells ABC news. "Further, I want to warn my fellow Republicans who may want to capitalize politically on these leaks: Today it is the Democrats. Tomorrow it could be us."


By golly, if Senator Rubio continues to reflect mature, rational thinking, he may position himself well for 2020.
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Old 10-19-2016, 08:23 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Gimmeabreak!

What we HAVE are audios of Dem operatives explaining how they're circumventing federal laws regarding super pacs not colluding with the DNC, outlining their dirty tricks, and saying that they don't care about ethics and legalities because "we gotta WIN this thing!"

Russia had nothing to do with anything.
Tell that to PENCE. He seems convinced it's Russia.


".....Republican vice presidential candidate Mike Pence said evidence implicates Russia in recent email hacks tied to the U.S. election, contradicting his running mate, Donald Trump, who cast doubt on Russia's involvement.

Pence said in an interview aired on "Fox News Sunday" that Russia or any other country involved in hacking should face "severe consequences." The disagreement with Trump, the Republican nominee for the Nov. 8 election, came after the pair also publicly disagreed about U.S. policy toward Russia in Syria...."


Mike Pence Contradicts Trump, Says Russia Behind Hacks

Trump/Putin 2016 - Make Russia Great Again!

Ken
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Old 10-19-2016, 08:26 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Senator Marco Rubio has stated what I believe: these emails were stolen, apparently by a foreign government to influence our election, and so they should be ignored, including by Donald John Trump:




Exclusive: Rubio: I Won't Talk About Wikileaks, and Neither Should Donald Trump - ABC News


From the link:


"As our intelligence agencies have said, these leaks are an effort by a foreign government to interfere with our electoral process and I will not indulge it,” Rubio tells ABC news. "Further, I want to warn my fellow Republicans who may want to capitalize politically on these leaks: Today it is the Democrats. Tomorrow it could be us."


By golly, if Senator Rubio continues to reflect mature, rational thinking, he may position himself well for 2020.
So again, nobody of consequence is challenging the veracity of the information. Instead they point to how it was obtained and possibly by whom and then the best thing they can say is "don't read it because it was stolen"?

He then says "we should ignore the truth because someday the spotlight might be pointed at us."
Heaven FORBID the truth get out and people find out what is really going on behind the curtain...
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:24 AM
 
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At this point you also have independent experts who are saying that they really don't know for sure who is behind the hacks.
Inaccurate obfuscation.

The experts who have examined the hacks blame the Russians. See posts 122 and 138.

Where are your links to the "independent experts" who have examined the breaches and deny a Russian state-sponsored cyber attack?
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:27 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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So again, nobody of consequence is challenging the veracity of the information. Instead they point to how it was obtained and possibly by whom and then the best thing they can say is "don't read it because it was stolen"?

He then says "we should ignore the truth because someday the spotlight might be pointed at us."
Heaven FORBID the truth get out and people find out what is really going on behind the curtain...
2 THINGS -

1) The hacked e-mails haven't really produced anything particularly damaging to Hillary.
2) WHY do the Russians want to help Trump?

Ken
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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So far all we have is a hacked GMAIL account. Amateur. Hardly the work of the Russians.
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:37 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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So far all we have is a hacked GMAIL account. Amateur. Hardly the work of the Russians.
GOP VP candidate Mike Pence disagrees with your assessment. I suspect he has access to more of the intel than you do.

Ken
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