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Old 06-08-2020, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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I take that back: It's now 4 polls that came out today showing Biden with a double-digit lead....
Oops, that's now 5 polls with Biden ahead by double-digits today!

But the Trumpies can take solace, there's 4 polls where he's only ahead by double-digits.

Putting that all together, Biden's RCP spread is now +8%:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6247.html

Remember when the Trumpies were telling us ... oh, just in the last week or two ... that Biden's RCP advantage over Trump would be declining?
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Old 06-08-2020, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
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No he wouldnt.

Many respected polls had him down by double digits in 2016 at this point. Many respected polls had him down by double digits in October.

The state polls align about the same as in 2016.

Trump has a good shot at getting more EV's, possibly over 330 with Minnesota, Nevada, and definitely New Hampshire

Bold talk, n00b!

I predict you won't return here on Nov 4th.

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Old 06-08-2020, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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No he wouldnt.

Many respected polls had him down by double digits in 2016 at this point. Many respected polls had him down by double digits in October.

The state polls align about the same as in 2016.

Trump has a good shot at getting more EV's, possibly over 330 with Minnesota, Nevada, and definitely New Hampshire
Geeze, it now only takes Westie15 a couple hours these days to re-register under a new name after being banned.

I think this by now might be exceeding 20 re-registrations.
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Old 06-08-2020, 05:26 PM
 
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I viewed polls with suspicion in 2016 for the reason that the landscape was changing. Ever since George Gallup, polls were either of the person in the street (originally), then via telephone, when everyone had land lines.



Even Gallup recognized in 2016 that, with the prevalence of mobile phones, the old 'landline' model would no longer work, and so 'sat out' the 2016 Presidential election (although they did other polling; I believe that the same holds true today).



Each polling company has its own methods, and so people are correct to examine the methodology used in individual polls. I doubt that any of us herein would seriously consider 'internet polls'.



Yet, 2018 did show me that some pollsters had improved their methodology. Obviously, polling is never 'perfect' (See, "Dewey Wins").


Yet, I think it obvious that polling methods have improved greatly. As such, I tend to believe that President Trump and his campaign will take the latest polls, including CNN (which does not conduct the poll, but hires a company to do so), seriously.



As we all know, each political party conducts their own polls. In 2016, Mr. Trump's private polls obviously showed him an opening in three key states. I was one of those bewildered by his frequent visits to Michigan and Pennsylvania, thinking they were 'sure' for Ms. Clinton. I was wrong, the polls Mr. Trump relied on were correct: his visits made a difference.



The Trump campaign has announced that Mr. Trump will, in two weeks, resume rallies. Watch where he goes. I have no doubt that he will go where he feels he is in trouble.



Mr. Trump is appearing in Dallas next week for a private fundraiser, but I do not count that as a campaign stop, as such. I do not think it means (although it could) that Mr. Trump believes that Texas is up for grabs.



Finally, given the uncertainly of the virus, Mr. Trump's team is probably well aware that the window for holding rallies may be short. I would not be surprised if his first rally, for instance, is in Florida, historically a key state with the winner determined by a few thousand votes. Since Florida is 'spiking' (look it up), it makes since for him to go there first. Indeed, after visiting Florida, do not be surprised if the Governor of Florida, citing the spike, issues orders that no other rallies may be had (sorry, Joe Biden!).
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Old 06-08-2020, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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The fact that Biden came out against defunding the police was a good thing.

He continues to be the rational sane choice most people are looking for, and that is why he will defeat the orange nutcase.
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Old 06-08-2020, 07:10 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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The second link references as poll that was also covered in the first.


More importantly- they show the same point I made earlier. When you are leading but under 50% there is room for your opponent to grow. Those polls had Clinton at 48 and 49%. They were at a time when Trump was down and before the last minute Comey investigation reopening/reclosing. They had Clinton's support correct- they simply weren't capturing that Trump surged to the exact same spot that Republicans have hit in the last three presidential elections, 45-47%. If Biden stays at 50- his percentage from 2016 will be very hard to proportion into a win.
No, it’s different date, the first one was in Sep, 2016, Hilary was up 6 points, the second one was in Aug, 2016, Hilary was up 10 points lead.
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Old 06-08-2020, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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If elections were held today, Trump would surely lose. Luckily he still has 5 months to make up ground. I'm thinking he should pass another stimulus bill later in the year.
And that would surely pi$$ off the remaining fiscal conservatives, if any are left, in the GOP.
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Old 06-08-2020, 07:36 PM
 
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five months is an eternity
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Old 06-09-2020, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Enjoy Bidens 14 point lead while it lasts. Wait until the casual voter learns that Joe created the China monster.

You know, Joe is still involved in 2 federal investigations too.
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Old 06-09-2020, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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Bold talk, n00b!

I predict you won't return here on Nov 4th.

According to Google, 'Novichok' is Russian for noob. It's only polite to use this brand-new, rabidly pro-President Trump poster's native language, as kind of a welcome to CD.
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