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Sigh, we are a democratic republic. We present ourselves to the world as a democracy. Our current President, and Vice-Presidential nominee Sarah Palin, seem to agree on the idea that we should spread the principles of democracy worldwide. You're nitpicking at the definitions to defuse the thrust of what I'm saying. This thread isn't about whether people in Ohio should be able to register and vote on the same day, is it? You want to re-direct the discussion. It's about homeless people getting transportation to the polls. And how some people, like myself, think that every voter who is a legal citizen and registered should have the opportunity to cast their ballot.
I do urge everyone I know to vote. And I specifically said I don't "urge them to vote my way". Your putting that out there is an attempt at obfuscation.
No one goes with them into that booth, no one votes for them. They are free to vote in any way they please. It's your argument that contradicts this. It is your argument that providing transportation to legally registered voters who happen to be homeless and getting them to the polls is somehow defrauding the election process.
You decry "Rock the Vote" and all the drives that are about getting more people to the polls. These drives aren't just about getting votes for Democrats, it's about getting people of ALL political persuasions to get interested, to get involved, to be a part of the process. Just because people aren't members of your political party doesn't make them bobbleheads. College students have more opportunities than many of us to educate themselves on the issues and candidates. Dismissing them as mere followers of Paris or Diddy is a huge generalization. So what if Paris and Diddy didn't vote, that's up to them.
As for personal responsibility, I don't see how it can be possibly construed as irresponsible to volunteer to provide someone with transportation so that they can vote. I'm promoting helping people do the right thing, and you're calling it irresponsible. Who's hiding the truth?
My comment was concerning the registration same day issue. The Ohio problems are vast and the issue of same day registration is a key issue of the topic. There is a lot of dirty politics going on with that state and numerous cases of organizations partaking in various voter fraud issues.
You keep arguing for "well, people should have the choice", but the fact is, they have HAD the choice all along, they chose to ignore their responsibilities and now because they were irresponsible, people are rushing to claim there is some type of force of action against them. Sorry, but lack of planning on their part does not constitute an emergency on mine. If people are too lazy, too stupid, and too irresponsible to do the simplest of things such as voter registration, then they have nothing to offer in the process of voting. They will be nothing more than mindless sheep being herded by the slander crowd to vote a certain way.
The problem here is our differing views at the core. You think a right is something that should be carried around on a platter so people can call out to it to come to them anytime they want. I think a right is a responsibility that you pay attention to and make effort to exercise.
We won't come to agreement on this issue DC, we will have to agree to disagree my friend. We have extremely different beliefs in purpose and responsibilties of our system.
Well DUH. But you are more likely to vote for the candidate someone wants you to vote for if you are hungry and they gave you a meal and took you to the polls.
Or even more likely to vote for a party that will try to help you get back on your feet instead of waiting for it to trickle down. There's a reason Repubs aren't out registering homeless people, and it has nothing to do with a free meal.
My comment was concerning the registration same day issue. The Ohio problems are vast and the issue of same day registration is a key issue of the topic. There is a lot of dirty politics going on with that state and numerous cases of organizations partaking in various voter fraud issues.
You keep arguing for "well, people should have the choice", but the fact is, they have HAD the choice all along, they chose to ignore their responsibilities and now because they were irresponsible, people are rushing to claim there is some type of force of action against them. Sorry, but lack of planning on their part does not constitute an emergency on mine. If people are too lazy, too stupid, and too irresponsible to do the simplest of things such as voter registration, then they have nothing to offer in the process of voting. They will be nothing more than mindless sheep being herded by the slander crowd to vote a certain way.
The problem here is our differing views at the core. You think a right is something that should be carried around on a platter so people can call out to it to come to them anytime they want. I think a right is a responsibility that you pay attention to and make effort to exercise.
We won't come to agreement on this issue DC, we will have to agree to disagree my friend. We have extremely different beliefs in purpose and responsibilties of our system.
This thread was about transporting homeless people to the polls. I never broached the topic of same-day registration/voting, so your comments to me weren't en pointe.
My argument isn't as weak as "well, people should have a choice", my argument is that people who are legally registered to vote but for some reason need transportation to vote aren't puppets controlled by the people who provide that needed transportation.
My argument isn't that people shouldn't intelligently use their votes to advance their own interests. I'm arguing that neither you nor I possess the insight or psychic ability to fully understand how someone else arrives at their decision, and therefore we don't have the right to challenge that decision on some arbitrary basis that they didn't do enough research or give it enough thought beforehand.
Before we start screaming fraud at the polls, it should be clear exactly what we are condemning. If it's promoting democratic participation by helping those less fortunate get to the polls, then that's not fraud. If it's excluding people because they've recently lost their homes, then I think that's certainly wandering close to fraud. If they can prove that their recorded address was correct on the last legal day to update their registration, should their right to vote be challenged?
...I'm arguing that neither you nor I possess the insight or psychic ability to fully understand how someone else arrives at their decision, and therefore we don't have the right to challenge that decision on some arbitrary basis that they didn't do enough research or give it enough thought beforehand...
After reading through the political threads for a week, I think a homeless person with a mental illness is as mentally qualified as many of the people on this board. Arbitrary indeed.
I have nothing against homeless people voting, but shouldn't they at least proof who they are....they could be convicted felons, sex offenders illegal aliens, etc.....
I heard that they can vote....this campaign makes me think certain people in this country do anything to win and have their candidate win this election which makes it IMO a fraudelent election.
In other countries only people who have identification papers and an address can vote. This to prevent fraud. People get their voting cards send to their address (or you have to give notice that you are away and they will send it to another address if you have proof) to avoid fraud.
In Florida the laws have changed and convicted felons can vote but only the non violence one, so who can proof that the homeless who have no identification are who they are and aren't convicted felons convicted on murder, etc....
If the Dem. take them on a bus to get them to the voting precinct, what else are they giving them to get their vote? Food, money, etc, what does it cost for the Dem. to get that vote?
Convicted felons cannot vote. In fact, they have to get their convictions overturned in order to do so.
But I thought Republicans believed that the homeless didn't exist?
I have nothing against homeless people voting, but shouldn't they at least proof who they are....they could be convicted felons, sex offenders illegal aliens, etc.....
You are kidding right Surely they have to be checked out just like YOU did!
I have always been asked for ID when I've voted. I'm sure many, many, many homeless people have ID or had ID that expired that they can now get renewed. Many people had homes before becoming homeless, after all. They weren't born in the streets and raised in trash cans or something. They're not wolves.
You are a little presumptuous in your assumption, NPR had a story on it this morning, it turns out that the homeless man who had been taken to the polling place, by a very charitable and patriotic Democrat btw, actually cast his vote for McCain (b/c he said he liked the lady running w/ him).
Giving people help to vote is a great thing, when you vote you feel enpowered and part of the rest of society, which is something that is missing in the lives of many homeless people, shame on all of you who are trying to turn it into something bad.
that's disgusting! voting on them b/c of the way that pitbull looks? i'd have driven that homeless guy to the middle of the hood and left him there stranded! but i guess that you have to take the good with the bad.
My comment was concerning the registration same day issue. The Ohio problems are vast and the issue of same day registration is a key issue of the topic. There is a lot of dirty politics going on with that state and numerous cases of organizations partaking in various voter fraud issues.
You keep arguing for "well, people should have the choice", but the fact is, they have HAD the choice all along, they chose to ignore their responsibilities and now because they were irresponsible, people are rushing to claim there is some type of force of action against them. Sorry, but lack of planning on their part does not constitute an emergency on mine. If people are too lazy, too stupid, and too irresponsible to do the simplest of things such as voter registration, then they have nothing to offer in the process of voting. They will be nothing more than mindless sheep being herded by the slander crowd to vote a certain way.
The problem here is our differing views at the core. You think a right is something that should be carried around on a platter so people can call out to it to come to them anytime they want. I think a right is a responsibility that you pay attention to and make effort to exercise.
We won't come to agreement on this issue DC, we will have to agree to disagree my friend. We have extremely different beliefs in purpose and responsibilties of our system.
well i am a democrat and i agree with you 100%! too many ppl fought, died and suffered in this country's history so that all citizens could vote. if we can't honor them by doing something as simple as voting, we're not worth much as a society.
I have nothing against homeless people voting, but shouldn't they at least proof who they are....they could be convicted felons, sex offenders illegal aliens, etc.....
I heard that they can vote....this campaign makes me think certain people in this country do anything to win and have their candidate win this election which makes it IMO a fraudelent election.
In other countries only people who have identification papers and an address can vote. This to prevent fraud. People get their voting cards send to their address (or you have to give notice that you are away and they will send it to another address if you have proof) to avoid fraud.
In Florida the laws have changed and convicted felons can vote but only the non violence one, so who can proof that the homeless who have no identification are who they are and aren't convicted felons convicted on murder, etc....
If the Dem. take them on a bus to get them to the voting precinct, what else are they giving them to get their vote? Food, money, etc, what does it cost for the Dem. to get that vote?
So how did they register? Did you research that? If they are registered voters why are you against them voting?
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