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Old 10-22-2008, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Fort Myers, FL
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Really? Why don't you post some objective sources to back you up on that?

That poor people will suffer if rich people are taxed 11.5% more???
jobs will be eliminated to cover it. you think 11.5% is nothing? how about everyone under $250k pay the EXACT SAME TAX.

obama also said he would consider a flat tax and to the tune of 40%

it is estimated that 22%-23% would have to be required just to support the current spending.
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Idaho
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All those rich people aren't rich anymore because they've been taxed so much. Then who does he tax?
Well let's think about this for just a moment. McCain raises taxes on the middle and low income. That's okay, correct?

Obama wants to raise taxes on those making over $250 K a year. And you're saying that's a bad thing? How much do you make?
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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your incredibly naive if you don't think he will.

my father has a small business. employs 8 people. the state of michigan has already raised taxes so much this year that he is barely holding on. michigan had a deficit of 1.5 billion they have to come up with the difference some how, they raised many taxes 4 of which effected him directly. add to that the payroll accounts problems with available credit, the banks are faced with. which he normally draws on similar to a equity line of credit. then you pay it back. since his business is seasonal. they cut his available balance, even with no late payments and perfect credit.

which means if obama gets into office he will have to lay 1 person off just to cover his income taxes. he does not want to do this.

he has a lot of clients who are struggling in michigans economy as it is now. if obama raises those taxes he plans on raising many many business' will go under.
What 4 state taxes were raised in Michigan?
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:24 PM
 
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jobs will be eliminated to cover it. you think 11.5% is nothing? how about everyone under $250k pay the EXACT SAME TAX.

obama also said he would consider a flat tax and to the tune of 40%

it is estimated that 22%-23% would have to be required just to support the current spending.
Because you say?? Where are you getting this line that increasing taxes on the rich by 11.5% would cause unemployment to rise???
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:32 PM
 
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my father has a small business. employs 8 people. the state of michigan has already raised taxes so much this year that he is barely holding on. michigan had a deficit of 1.5 billion they have to come up with the difference some how, they raised many taxes 4 of which effected him directly. add to that the payroll accounts problems with available credit, the banks are faced with. which he normally draws on similar to a equity line of credit. then you pay it back. since his business is seasonal. they cut his available balance, even with no late payments and perfect credit.
While I'm not on the verge of laying people off yet, I have put all of my companies on a hiring freeze and have begun strategizing the needed price increases to offset the tax increases. This year it was massive postage increases, next year taxes. I'm not worried though, I'll just pass the extra onto the consumers. Those people that have never made payroll will never get it..
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:33 PM
 
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Because you say?? Where are you getting this line that increasing taxes on the rich by 11.5% would cause unemployment to rise???
Think it through, I know your not that stupid to need it explained to you..
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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While I'm not on the verge of laying people off yet, I have put all of my companies on a hiring freeze and have begun strategizing the needed price increases to offset the tax increases. Those people that have never made payroll will never get it..
Thanks for the laugh. I'd rep you but I have to spread it around first.
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:44 PM
 
Location: DC area
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I am absolutely amazed that we're still discussing the poor plight of the rich.

Time and again I see the endless sighs talking about what will happen when the rich leave?! You're going to tax them until they're not rich anymore!

Yet there is virtually no mention of the fact that a greater disparity in economic classes exists here than has ever existed in our history. It is also greater than that of other countries despite all those taxes that are beleaguering the rich.

Funniest of all is that there is rarely a mention of the reverse. If the rich create and give the jobs it is the poor or little man that do said jobs. My gripe is if you're going to gripe about the poor rich then lets also gripe about the poor middle and lower classes.

I'm reminded of the Newboys strikes in NYC in 1890 something. The rich made the world go round by giving out jobs but the poor made the world stop when they refused to do said jobs.
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:46 PM
 
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While I'm not on the verge of laying people off yet, I have put all of my companies on a hiring freeze and have begun strategizing the needed price increases to offset the tax increases. This year it was massive postage increases, next year taxes. I'm not worried though, I'll just pass the extra onto the consumers. Those people that have never made payroll will never get it..
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Better not vote Democratic guys if you want your jobs...LOL

Last edited by katzenfreund; 10-22-2008 at 09:51 PM.. Reason: let's not get too personal please!
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:53 PM
 
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Funniest of all is that there is rarely a mention of the reverse. If the rich create and give the jobs it is the poor or little man that do said jobs. My gripe is if you're going to gripe about the poor rich then lets also gripe about the poor middle and lower classes.
Yeah, lets all gripe about how the poor in america are far from poor..

And lets do it without bringing up the fact that everytime minimum wage or governmental mandates are imposed, the unemployment levels are raised.
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