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There are two parts to Turkey. Both are Moslem. However, one part is developing rapidly in economic terms and it is a secular society. People from this part of Turkey are attracted to economic opportunity. They work hard and integrate well. The other part is rural, traditional and poor. They are attracted to welfare. They integrate poorly and cling to all aspects of traditional society. It really takes 3 generations before they break out of that mold entirely
That's my experience. Yes, is support Turkey's admission to the EU and I also support structural economic and immigration reforms that will create more economic opportunity and provide less welfare to everyone, except the very young, the very sick and the very old.
Are you actually in an EU country, or are you just spreading your anti-Muslim rhetoric for your own personal gratification? Have you ever actually visited Turkey?
No, No and No!
But I am from the UK and I can tell you that most people there do not want yet another country joining the EU and coming over taking our jobs and benefits.
Not to mention the fact that Turkey is basically in Asia.
I don't necessarily advocate Turkey joining the EU, and even consider muslim immigration to western Europe to have been largely problematic for both parties, but you can't be serious with that statement! There are Muslim majority countries in Europe and it has centuries of history in various location on the continent. Moreover, it is no less a European religion then Christianity, which is also a Middle Eastern religion, which was invented there and popularized there before moving into Europe
Muslim majority countries such as where?
Perhaps Bosnia and Albania but they are not in the EU either.
And Christianity is different, it has been around long enough in Europe to become the way we do things - no room for another belief system though.
Should we let the Afghan Taliban join the EU as well?
There are two parts to Turkey. Both are Moslem. However, one part is developing rapidly in economic terms and it is a secular society. People from this part of Turkey are attracted to economic opportunity. They work hard and integrate well.
How can you possibly know that - are you speaking for all the Turks in you chosen section of the country?
So what if they work well anyway - I hear the Chinese are also keen workers , so can they join the EU too?
Perhaps Bosnia and Albania but they are not in the EU either.
And Christianity is different, it has been around long enough in Europe to become the way we do things - no room for another belief system though.
Should we let the Afghan Taliban join the EU as well?
Just because Kosovo, Albania and Bosnia are not in the EU that does not make them not European countries. They are populated by European people, are clearly on the European continent, and are indisputably European in every other aspect of their culture. Macedonia also has a huge, old muslim population. No, you should not let the Afghan Taliban join the EU, but you should also not deny the existence of three muslim majority European countries and imply that they aren't European people. It may not have a history in Britain, but it does indeed have a history in the Balkans. Being a European country is not dependent on membership in the EU club.
Not to mention the fact that Turkey is basically in Asia.
Get a map and look up countries like Malta and Cyprus. Hint: They are also not in Europe. There are plenty of good reasons to be sceptical about Turkey joining the Union. But that's definitely not one of them.
But I am from the UK and I can tell you that most people there do not want yet another country joining the EU and coming over taking our jobs and benefits.
Not to mention the fact that Turkey is basically in Asia.
Exactly we are all fed up of migrants. There are too many they come for benefits.
I don't necessarily advocate Turkey joining the EU, and even consider muslim immigration to western Europe to have been largely problematic for both parties, but you can't be serious with that statement! There are Muslim majority countries in Europe and it has centuries of history in various location on the continent. Moreover, it is no less a European religion then Christianity, which is also a Middle Eastern religion, which was invented there and popularized there before moving into Europe (Armenia converted first, then Ethiopia, and it was a popular and tolerated religion all throughout Persia before it was legalized in Rome).
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Originally Posted by viribusunitis
Get a map and look up countries like Malta and Cyprus. Hint: They are also not in Europe. There are plenty of good reasons to be sceptical about Turkey joining the Union. But that's definitely not one of them.
Exactly, neither religious ideology (which neither Turkey nor Europe really have for a century or two now) nor any narrow intepretation of geography is the deciding factor. Neither argument stands up to any logic, except political rhetoric.
Whether Turkey joins the EU will first depend on the political economic expediencies of the moment (trade, foreign direct investment, and who controls them). Then whatever ideology that is necessary to support the policy will come out of the woodwork as if by magic.
Since the year one, that's usually how it works among humans, the case of the EU-Turkey relationship is no exception.
Right now the balance of power does not favor Turkey joining the EU, though tomorrow may be another story, who knows? Personally I am not holding my breath.
But did you notice that the North Atlantic directly touches the Turkish coast, for example? Geez, it only takes a five-hour plane ride from the North Atlantic coast of Turkey to Washington.
Yes, the airplane joke.
Please.
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