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As long as they contribute to the UK economy and abide by UK laws I have no problem with Turkish immigrants. All the hysteria whipped up by certain quarters over immigration is in my opinion shameful. Immigration on the whole ( and yes there are black sheep exceptions as there are everywhere) is a boost to the British Economy.
Turkish people in my experience work extremely hard and are the most secular Muslims on the planet so to me fears about this appalling influx which might happen are totally unfounded.
Also Turkey's economy is probalby doing better than the UK economy so I am not sure why that many Turks would find this country that appealing.... And those who seek economic migration are far more likely to seek countries with higher levels of Turkish Communities such as Germany or countries closer to them culturally ( ie : Mediterreanean countries).
It is quite insulting to somehow assume everyone dreams of settling in the UK.
Why do we also never mention the UK emigrants who go and take jobs in other countries by emigrating ? Are they supposed to somehow be more desirable to their hosts' economies simply because they are British, or perhaps because they are White ???? It seems to me double standards apply.
As long as someone is a contributor to the UK economy , integrates and does not break the law I could not care less where they come from personally. The UK would be a far blander, more boring country without immigration. Demonising immigrants simply because of their status is despicable IMO and intellectually dinsingenous, too often ignoring the actual facts of net boost to the local and national economies and social contributions.
The media loves to highlight those minorities of immigrants who have played or abused the system. Funny how the positive contributions ( economic or cultural) are never quite as popular in newspapers and news shows.... Better to play on the fear and loathing of the foreigners than actually look up at hard economic truths for example.
Personally I wish we could send all all home grown wastrels, criminals, drunks, anti-social vandalising thugs to some remote Island. That would certainly make a huge amount of space for law abiding well behaved Natives. What a lovely prospect.
Not in terms of size but in terms of Growth ? It is being called by many economists the "China" of Europe is Europe's fastet growing economy. I think last year was growing at 8.5 % which is pretty darn good. Considering that the UK economy I think has grown by nil per cent , I think that is pretty respectable.
I have been to Turkey many times and the last time I was there I was surprised at the changes in the country ( obviously rural areas are still way, way behind as it always is to begin with when countries start growing quickly). It surprised me what a modern , efficient and the sense of optimism and entrepeneurshhip there was.
Hello,
I'm definitely against Turkey joining EU. Why?
Because:
- majority of Turks do not want to assimilate with european societies
- suddenly there would be an influx of ~10-20 million people invading Europe only to get some social benefits (especially for having a lot of kids)
- Turkey borders Iraq etc. which would endanger our EU border, and we would be in even greater danger of terrorists' attacks
Sure as long as Turkey meets the EU's conditions for accession and settles their differences on Cyprus amicably. Those goals are pretty tough to meet and if met would pretty much override any of the more rational arguments against Turkey's membership.
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Not in terms of size but in terms of Growth ? It is being called by many economists the "China" of Europe is Europe's fastet growing economy. I think last year was growing at 8.5 % which is pretty darn good. Considering that the UK economy I think has grown by nil per cent , I think that is pretty respectable.
Your post did not mention growth, and really, who cares about growth, it is all relative. Even growing at that rate, it is still very far behind the UK economically. This is like bragging someone went from a 100kg bench press to a 150kg bench press, and saying how great the 50% growth is compared to the person who went from a 500kg bench press to a 505kg bench press.
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Originally Posted by Mooseketeer
I have been to Turkey many times and the last time I was there I was surprised at the changes in the country ( obviously rural areas are still way, way behind as it always is to begin with when countries start growing quickly). It surprised me what a modern , efficient and the sense of optimism and entrepeneurshhip there was.
Foreign investors are pouring in right now.
You want to provide some examples of changes?
FDI has increased a lot over the last decade, most of it from the EU. For 2009, FDI in Turkey was $15 billion. In contrast, the UK it was $45 billion in which that has increased to almost $100 billion in 2011 since recoverying from the financial crisis. For 2007 FDI for Turkey was $22 billion, while for the UK it was $186 billion.
So while Turkey is improving, it is not in the same league as the UK.
- suddenly there would be an influx of ~10-20 million people invading Europe only to get some social benefits (especially for having a lot of kids)
- Turkey borders Iraq etc. which would endanger our EU border, and we would be in even greater danger of terrorists' attacks
1) 10-20 million people invading Europe? Are you just throwing that number out there? There's over 70 million people in Europe
2) LOL at your Iraq comment. You know very little about Turkey to think this matters.
1) 10-20 million people invading Europe? Are you just throwing that number out there? There's over 700 million people in Europe [Yep, You're right, but EU has a population of ~500 million)
2) LOL at your Iraq comment. You know very little about Turkey to think this matters.
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I know that there are significantly more people already in EU, but those Turks that would immigrate after Turkey joined EU, would be just too much.
They would focus on big cities in western Europe only to get some social security benefits.
Ad.2 Am I wrong that it would create a dangerous and poorly guarded border? (people from Georgia, Iran, Iraq, Syria(!) would try to emigrate to EU)
Is not about Turks but about Islam. Any muslim is loyal to Quran and Muhammad, not to the non-islamic state he/she lives in. Is a potential traitor.
And as the Turkish government is becoming more and more islamic, for the moment Turkey should not be accepted.
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