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Old 05-07-2014, 02:27 PM
 
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I'm afraid, on May 9 will be very hot.
Right Sector declared that they will protect veterans of Great Patriotic War in 9 May.

It's stupid and hypocrisy, Right Sector is an ex-UNA-UNSO which worshiped Bandera and Shukhevych and hated all veterans of Great Patriotic War.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Canada
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How can they hold elections, if there is a war?
Vast majority of Ukraine is at peace, only Crimea under Russian military occupation and two oblasts in the east where Russia is running false flags. Odessa has mostly calmed down.


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Old 05-07-2014, 06:38 PM
 
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3G$ given to Ukraine and the money is already gone! Timoshenko is so mad because she couldn't borrow that money, she now menaces with another revolution if she does not win next elections. Revolutions will happen over and over again while somebody is motivating the criminals with such astronomical amounts of money. Nationalists begging for tobacco on maidan, they would kill their own mothers 50 times for just a little piece of that European money. Hitler would be ashamed to know how such scruminals with no ideals are being compared to him. Even Pablo Escobar and Al Capone would be afraid to visit Ukraine....

Ukraine has NO future!
EU has NO future!!!!!

People seem so afraid of Russia: "Russia is going to invade us!!", "Protect us against Russia!!", "Help! Russia is thousand of kilometers away of us!! So near!! So scary!!!". USA trying to corner Russia because is afraid too. Well, seeing how afraid all are of Russia, makes me think that Russia do have future.

How I see the conflict?: Criminals outside and people barricading themselves inside to protect against genocides. For me it is easy to choice a side in this conflict.

My personal wish is Ukraine to be isolated until criminals learn how to build a society. It's a solution without killing nobody. Just putting a frontier between the two sides. This way at least part of the population would have some future. Sadly, I think Europe could open totally to Ukraine in that case, and gift them trillions of the money of the European tax payers, because Europe is acting stupidly and that's why I think it has no future. Someday EU could just take the leader of Boko Haram and give him a work in a nursery in the center of London. Nothing can surprise me coming from EU..... The world is a nonsense!
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Old 05-07-2014, 07:51 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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The most annoying that 23 years ago the West could get a very strong and reliable ally, but instead NATO is already near the border with Russia. Although NATO has promised that not move an inch, when the Berlin Wall was torn.
Most NATO countries border other NATO countries. Its not a problem.
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:16 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I can't believe Putin backed down this easily. Surely this is some sort of trick? There's no way he would give up his imperialist ambitions this easily.
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Old 05-07-2014, 09:02 PM
 
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I can't believe Putin backed down this easily. Surely this is some sort of trick? There's no way he would give up his imperialist ambitions this easily.
Why is this constant thing of "imperialistic" ambitions? What proof do you or anyone have of this? There is even another thread on here regarding this, yet not one single person has presented any proof at all of this.

If Putin had some sort of ambition, he would have annexed the break away regions in Georgia already, heck, he would have just rolled over Georgia and annexed it all together.

Crimea was taken purely for national security reasons, it is really that simple. Putin could have already taken all of Ukraine already if he was interested. Crimea is a vital national security asset, and Putin made his move to secure that national security interest; all countries have a line when it comes to national security in which they will take action and not care about world opinion. At the end of the day, Putin is responsible for Russia's national security, not for Ukraine's, the US's China's or anyone else's.

As far as him backing down, backing down from what? What exactly is "backing down"? Deciding to do something is now called backing down?
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Old 05-07-2014, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Vast majority of Ukraine is at peace, only Crimea under Russian military occupation and two oblasts in the east where Russia is running false flags. Odessa has mostly calmed down.
The President can not make decisions for the whole of Ukraine, if such large regions as Donetsk and Lugansk did not participate in the elections. Actually, the whole conflict started because a military coup occurred, people came to power and began to implement policies that do not like the east of Ukraine. At first Ukraine must stop the war, and then hold elections. Otherwise, the conflict will continue for a long time, because people in the east of Ukraine defend their land and not going anywhere.
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Old 05-07-2014, 09:26 PM
 
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Vast majority of Ukraine is at peace, only Crimea under Russian military occupation and two oblasts in the east where Russia is running false flags. Odessa has mostly calmed down.
Russia doesn't control rebels of Donbass. Putin asked them to delay the referendum, but Tsarev responded: "I respect Putin, but our people will decide."
And Odessa is not calmed down, Odessa is intimidated by thousands of RS's killers. But relatives of burned people are going to revenge.

If elections will happen without Donetsk and Lugansk it will mean that Kiev authority doesn't consider them as a part of Ukraine's territory.
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Old 05-07-2014, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Most NATO countries border other NATO countries. Its not a problem.
Do you know why NATO was created?
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Old 05-07-2014, 09:33 PM
 
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The President can not make decisions for the whole of Ukraine, if such large regions as Donetsk and Lugansk did not participate in the elections. Actually, the whole conflict started because a military coup occurred, people came to power and began to implement policies that do not like the east of Ukraine. At first Ukraine must stop the war, and then hold elections. Otherwise, the conflict will continue for a long time, because people in the east of Ukraine defend their land and not going anywhere.
Turchinov admitted that people of Donbass call ukrainian army as punitive troops and occupants.
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