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Old 12-27-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Russia
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What does 'confrontations' imply? To resist returning to Russia?
No. Ukraine will not join the Russian Federation in the near future. But the current government (which came to power by military coup) should move away from power.
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:45 PM
 
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No. Ukraine will not join the Russian Federation in the near future. But the current government (which came to power by military coup) should move away from power.
Well, why should they? They are not Russians, they are Ukranians... right?

What did you specifically mean by confrontations? It is not my impression that Ukraine wish any direct confrontations with Russia (that would not end well for Ukraine), so what do you mean? Is resisting 'the return' to the Russian Federation one of these 'confrontations'?
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:45 PM
 
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Re: 'US needs slaves'

Well there you go. A bit off the top I'd say.

To get out of the morass requires 'reason' and 'objectivity' in determining what needs to be done.
I'm not sure why there would be great objection in having western investment into the country.
Because of the way these "investments" are made. With all the requirements of slashing government programs, subsidies and all, plus destroying the "unprofitable" enterprises that support the livelihood of thousands of people. What "profitable" is aimed to bring profits in one and one direction only - to those who *invest* in the West ( the government subsidies helping people to make their lives easier, obviously become "frivolous spending" in this case,) and to those that help them "organize" this "efficiency" locally. The rest of local population become the aboriginals that should either start serving the purpose ( thus part of them become useful as slaves,) and the rest should quietly die out. Russians already saw it all happening in the nineties, so for those who live in the Eastern part of Ukraine these perspectives of "western investments" were a good reason to be alarmed.

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Old 12-27-2014, 12:51 PM
 
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Doesn't the Ukranian people pretty much outright hate Russia? And what do you mean with 'return'? Ukraine is a state that is independent of Russia.
Part of them, with nationalist agenda do.
Others, without the nationalist agenda may not like Putin's government, but they don't dislike Russians.
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Well, why should they? They are not Russians, they are Ukranians... right?
Historically we are one people. As Canadians and Americans.

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What did you specifically mean by confrontations? It is not my impression that Ukraine wish any direct confrontations with Russia (that would not end well for Ukraine), so what do you mean? Is resisting 'the return' to the Russian Federation one of these 'confrontations'?
No, Ukraine should remain a separate state in the near future.
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Old 12-27-2014, 01:01 PM
 
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Part of them, with nationalist agenda do.
Others, without the nationalist agenda may not like Putin's government, but they don't dislike Russians.
But if Putin proves that he is ready to defend not only Russia but also Ukraine, everything can change. If the information on the supply of coal is not fake, it opens up interesting possibilities.
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Old 12-27-2014, 01:02 PM
 
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Well, why should they? They are not Russians, they are Ukranians... right?
Ask yourself first what Ukraine is.
It's a birthplace of Russia, whether one likes it or not.
American South was different from the "Yankees" as well, but what happened to it, when it decided to go its separate way?
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Old 12-27-2014, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Historically we are one people. As Canadians and Americans.
Canadians and Americans aren't one people.

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It's a birthplace of Russia, whether one likes it or not.
So what? It was 1000 years ago. Get over it already.
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Old 12-27-2014, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Russia
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It's a birthplace of Russia
I do not agree with this. Rurik's from Novgorod (from Russia) conquered Kiev and created Kievan Rus. Russia began in Novgorod.
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