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Old 04-30-2015, 12:17 PM
 
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Russia is a huge country, which exists 1000 years, which is home to 150 nations. I do not think that you have the right to tell Russia that Russia should do in Russian sphere of influence. 25 years ago, Russia has given a huge amount of territory. Russia should restore order in these lands, because the separation of land has not been thought out.



Really?

1999 Serbia
2001 Afghanistan
2002 Venezuela
2003 Iraq
2004 Haiti
2004-2010 Somalia
2011 Libya
2014-2015 Ukraine
2015 Yemen
That you consider all these conflicts as the West trying to brute force its way into Russia just confirms the stereotype of Russian paranoia.
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Old 04-30-2015, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Russia
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That you consider all these conflicts as the West trying to brute force its way into Russia just confirms the stereotype of Russian paranoia.
Do you think that the West (United States) in these countries gave people chocolates and chicken legs? Ok, let it be Russian paranoia.
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Old 04-30-2015, 12:32 PM
 
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Russia is a huge country, which exists 1000 years, which is home to 150 nations. I do not think that you have the right to tell Russia that Russia should do in Russian sphere of influence. 25 years ago, Russia has given a huge amount of territory. Russia should restore order in these lands, because the separation of land has not been thought out.



Really?

1999 Serbia
2001 Afghanistan
2002 Venezuela
2003 Iraq
2004 Haiti
2004-2010 Somalia
2011 Libya
2014-2015 Ukraine
2015 Yemen
Hard to believe that 10 years ago the New York Times condemned the US proxy war in Somalia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/26/op...7649.html?_r=0

The atrocities committed by the Ethiopian military gave rise to the militia group Al-Shabaab.

Also, add Sudan and South Sudan.

China, America, and a New Cold War in Africa? - FPIF
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Old 04-30-2015, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Russia
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A little more about the fear and irritation. Today, Business Insider including Russian monument "The Motherland Calls" in the list of "12 most absurd Soviet-era buildings that are still standing."


https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...17411773_o.jpg


http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6441/...52064_orig.jpg

After the negative reviews in the Russian media, the monument was removed from the list. Insulting the holy Russian monument - is wise decision? It is a complete lack of respect. And it is not fear, but irritation. West are brave only in words.


https://youtu.be/DoN0hwOy__E

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Old 04-30-2015, 08:18 PM
 
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Re: " I know of no nation whose destiny has been more frequently disturbed than Russia's. It resembles a flowing stream that, owing to violent upheavals, has several times changed its bed. Like one of those men who, having been ill-treated by fate, has put his hand to several different occupations, but has never been successful"

Agree though I am not sure in the context what 'successful' means. Does it mean perhaps too many 'radical experiments' going awry?
I suppose "successful" means logically following one's path of development and reaching the intended heights of this development. And what Pushkin is saying, is that Russia was never allowed to reach it, because every time it was following certain path, it has been interrupted ( usually violently) by external or internal interference. Just an example - the early Russia ( that Ukrainians think often now ( and mistakenly so,) that they are direct and ONLY descendents of,) with its Veche and democratic traditions that were more developed at that time than in the West, was quite different comparably to Russia that came out from under Tatar-Mongol domination. Victorious, but changed in drastic ways.

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No matter she still is a great nation state which always tries to put its stamp on the world. The Russian bear keeps the West constantly growling each and every day....;-)...
Yes, Russians still manage to succeed, but unlike Anglo-Saxons for example, not "thanks to," but rather in spite of all odds.
As I've already mentioned, probably, I agree with Pushkin's observations; I too think that Russia has great deal of potential ( always had,) that she was never allowed to reach. Unlike some other nations.

P.S. This is something about Russians "putting their own stamp" or in this case ( since we are talking about art again) - a touch.
This is 1962, when Soviet government was fighting "Western influence" tooth and nail, yet such talented artist as Igor Moiseyev couldn't fight the temptation, (although this performance has been called a "parody" on rock-n-roll "Back to the Ape.")
I thought you might like watching it, and yes - Russians are gifted people in many spheres, be that art or science. As I've said a country of big potential, that has never been allowed to reach it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0kb3ErhI5w
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Old 04-30-2015, 11:31 PM
 
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I've heard nothing but hysteria in the western media about these bikers, the Night Wolves. You'd think they were going to smuggle nuclear bombs into their Poland in their saddle bags. The politicians went spatic for the most part.

I really think there's a kind of mass insanity by a very few very powerful people in the west in regards to Russia.

I am glad that most people are not so delusional.

TASS: World - Russian bikers including Night Wolves members visit Auschwitz-Birkenau camp museum
Who are these clowns?
And why do they attach themselves to the whole subject of the WWII, rumbling on their bikes through Europe? What they've got to do with the Great Patriotic War? Russia was not serving the idea of $$$$ at that point; today people in Kremlin do, and those bikers are their pets.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:10 AM
 
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the difference is that USA usually didn't start these conflicts and intervened (usually) with agreement
of UNO and when later peace and order were re-established then there were free elections and
after that USA withdrew.

While Russia was usually just trying to increase her area of military control and influence.

We want a system where others can live in peace without fear of being attacked by their neighbors.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:35 AM
 
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the difference is that USA usually didn't start these conflicts and intervened (usually) with agreement
of UNO and when later peace and order were re-established then there were free elections and
after that USA withdrew.
So why the US are still not withdrawn from Afghanistan and Iraq?
Why are American "lily pads" all over the globe now? Any idea?

Or may be you are not familiar with other features of the American global empire?


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While Russia was usually just trying to increase her area of military control and influence.
Yes, because Russia doesn't operate in covert way, the way the US do, neither does Russia really needs it.
Unlike the US, Russia doesn't strive for the world domination. Her position of CONTROLLING the US allows her to be sufficient in this job, while securing her vital geopolitical interests ( which are really mostly in her own backyard.) That's why Russia's actions are out in the open, while the US operates in a covert way, that you might miss all together.

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We want a system where others can live in peace without fear of being attacked by their neighbors.
Well you need to dig for reasons of such attacks on a deeper level, instead of taking things for a face value may be...

( Here is more food for a thought -

Tomgram: David Vine, U.S. Empire of Bases Grows | TomDispatch
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Old 05-01-2015, 02:44 AM
 
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the difference is that USA usually didn't start these conflicts and intervened (usually) with agreement of UNO
Russia was categorically against attack Serbs. Russia member of the UN Security Council, Russia has veto power. But West did not hear Russian word. It was proof that West will not listen Russian word, if this word is not supported Russian tanks and Russian rockets. Everything is very simple.
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:39 AM
 
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the difference is that USA usually didn't start these conflicts and intervened (usually) with agreement
of UNO and when later peace and order were re-established then there were free elections and
after that USA withdrew.

While Russia was usually just trying to increase her area of military control and influence.

We want a system where others can live in peace without fear of being attacked by their neighbors.
The US lied about WMDs, pulled out the inspectors who weren't finding violations, and went in without UN authorization. Hans Blix had already stated in 1999 that Iraq had effectively dismantled their weapons programs. If the Americans had let the inspections run their course and Iraq was formally cleared, Iraq had a case for getting rid of the sanctions. The US and British went in because the Iraqis had already awarded their oil development contracts to the Russians, Chinese, and French.
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