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Nothing is being forced upon us, i'm free to live wherever i want in the European Union, the people that can be seen in the video are well organized minorities who want to resist integration. The majority of Muslims in our countries would never start a march such as the one that can be seen in Luton.
I think it's useless to talk of Islam being forced upon when it isn't even a recognized religion in several Western European countries including mine and when Muslim MEPs are all well integrated, well spoken and especially few and far in between (there is one in Italy)
Indeed! I have or have had a number of muslim friends, acquaintances and colleagues over the years that would never espouse the views displayed by the tiny minority appearing in those videos.
And that Luton video is edited rather dubiously. She probably waited on that street for a muslim person to appear behind her to show how they are everywhere. And notice how many times we see the same shot of the crowd marching up the street to appear as if it's a constant stream of hundreds when there is clearly far fewer. Yes, of course the views of the fundamentalists need challenging, but it needs to be done honestly and without fanning the flames even more. I've been a Londoner all my life and have never felt any kind of oppression from anyone.
What is American culture? Wearing jeans, Coca Cola, movies and video games. People like that, myself included, except for the Coke, people adopt American culture by their own choice. Islamization is forced upon us and what is Muslim culture? Wearing hijabs, beheading people, drinking no beer and eating no pork - can't you see the difference?
Here in the US, scariest are Evangelical Christians and Hasidic Jewish people. Any group of people that entrenches local governments to take over and create exclusive communities for their people only are creepy. Most Hasidic Jews won't even talk to you if you aren't one of them.
Americanization is not necessarily good for Europe, just as it isn't for America (a lot of Europeans discount the fact that Americans are the first victims of Americanization), but most of the visible impact of Americanization is ultimately superficial and transient compared to the radical social reworking that is effected by a widespread immigration of people with a fundamentally different worldview.
Most of the underpinnings of American culture, including its corporate bullishness, are rooted in Western worldview, Enlightenment/post-Enlightenment values and institutions, etc. While Europeans are free to (and perhaps rightfully should) reject the American manifestation of those values and institutions, to deny their origins as being as foreign as sharia law and the precepts of Islam is simply false.
i am not sure why would Europeans deny "Enlightenment\post-Enlightenment values and institutions," since it's not an "American thing."
"The Enlightenment, known in French as the Siècle des Lumières (Century of Enlightenment) and in German as the Aufklärung, was a philosophical movement which dominated the world of ideas in Europe in the 18th century. The principal goals of Enlightenment thinkers were liberty, progress, reason, tolerance, fraternity, and ending the abuses of the church and state.[1][2] In France, the central doctrines of the Lumières were individual liberty and religious tolerance, in opposition to the principle of absolute monarchy and the fixed dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church.[3] The Enlightenment was marked by increasing empiricism, scientific rigor, and reductionism, along with increased questioning of religious orthodoxy.[4]"
So right there, it's a European thing, while "corporate bullishness" and money-making production line and consumerism dominating American culture is not.
( But yes, I agree that Americans are the first victims of Americanization, and yes, Sharia laws are alien and dangerous for both, Americans and Europeans alike.)
That is not from a movie or something? lol, I guess I cannot say where they look like they ran away and should put back in...
Anyway I recommend some therapy, they seem to have some issues with adapting into a new society. Why they don't move into islamic country, they would be super happy there, all designed ready for them, just as they like
It's a documentary made by Stacey Dooley
She is a native of Luton and she witnessed what happened to her hometown.
If you care to watch the whole thing - here it is; (I was quite shocked to discover this turn of events.)
I wouldn't take Stacey Dooley's word too seriously if I were you given she seems to have an agenda of some kind, but still she admits "You’ve got organisations like the Al Muhajiroun and the English Defence League popping up but you have to bear in mind that they are a tiny minority.”
I've not watched all of the "documentary" but what I have seen, the dubious editing would make Michael Moore blush.
I wouldn't take Stacey Dooley's word too seriously if I were you given she seems to have an agenda of some kind, but still she admits "You’ve got organisations like the Al Muhajiroun and the English Defence League popping up but you have to bear in mind that they are a tiny minority.”
I've not watched all of the "documentary" but what I have seen, the dubious editing would make Michael Moore blush.
I don't take anybody's word seriously.
But I know what I see.
That is of course if the "dubious editing" didn't consist of footage made somewhere in Jordan/Iran and grafted into Luton's scenery.
So right there, it's a European thing, while "corporate bullishness" and money-making production line and consumerism dominating American culture is not.
( But yes, I agree that Americans are the first victims of Americanization, and yes, Sharia laws are alien and dangerous for both, Americans and Europeans alike.)
Well, if one considers America's 'money making production line and consumerism' a result of Adam Smith's economic philosophy, and one considers Adam Smith a European Enlightenment figure, then it stands to reason that America's corporate bullishness has its roots in the European Enlightenment.
As an American who has lived 54 years all over the States I can agree that there are deficiencies in our "culture." But it's ironic that someone would slam the States on the Internet, an American innovation. With all of our faults our profit driven model has lead to innovations that have greatly enhanced our lives. Islam, if forced upon us, would greatly restrict our lives. Is there an Islamic nation that is a world leader in technology, healthcare, or individual rights? We have leaders who constantly refer to Islam as one of the world's great religions. Do leaders in conservative Muslim countries(pretty much most Islamic nations) describe other religions that way? Do they allow the free exercise of other religions in their countries? Do they allow atheists to openly criticize Islam? Anyone who sees America as a greater threat to their lives than Islam is either a Muslim or a hardcore socialist. We do have our faults, and the best way to improve them is to push the best qualities of life in Europe and elsewhere.
Maybe because US culture is basically European culture... They are all Europeans who happen to live on another country.
That's like asking why India wouldn't kick up a fuss at importing East Asian culture... Because it happens to be based on Indian cultural values.
It's not as if people are willfully accepting Islamic culture into Europe. Indians like Buddhism and therefore like East Asian culture. Europeans like how similar but new American culture is.
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