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Truth is that first of all there's no Muslim culture just like there's no Christian culture. These are religions whose adherents come from countries who couldn't be more difference between each other. A Nigerian Muslim is totally different from an Indonesian Muslim in the same way a Peruvian Christian couldn't be more different than a Kenyan Christian. Aside from that, not all Muslim actually practice religion or adhere to its principles, i have seen many drink alcohol, eat pork, ecc.
Of course there IS such thing as muslim culture and Christian ( or rather post-Christian) culture.
The philosophy behind each of these religions defines the place of woman in the family and society in general, it defines the laws for marriages and divorces, inheritance, relations with older generation in the family, grievances brought to court and the whole operation of judicial system. The differences between an Indonesian Muslim and Nigerian one is much smaller than you think- it's not Islam per se that sets the difference between them, but cultural differences of their respective countries, which is the whole different layer than religion itself. However if brought to a foreign land, when these two will start attending the same mosque, the difference will become practically non-existent. ( That's the whole design behind Islam.)
Likewise, the difference between a Peruvian Christian and a Kenyan one, might not be all that big as you might think. Now the difference between a Kenyan Christian and, say, some Dane from post-Christian society is a whole different story. The biggest difference however comes between the people from traditional Christian background ( i.e. Northern Europeans and Americans) and people of traditional Islamic countries ( the Gulf States.) This is where the "clash of civilizations" is the most pronounced.
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Muslim culture forced upon who? Have you ever been asked not to eat pork or not to drink beer, let alone being forced? If it were to actually happen, it would become news quickly.
You are not paying attention, apparently, what is forced upon whom.
But these are good examples of different perceptions of what's acceptable and what's not in every respective society;
Still think that there is no difference, no clash between Islamic and European ( post-Christian) cultures? No, it's only a matter of time, when growing muslim population in Europe will demand to install the rules that suit them better.
How is Islamization forced on Westerners? No one's forcing them to wear hijab or to adopt Islam, or follow certain commandments or dietary restrictions. You don't seem to understand what Islamization means.
I am a 30years old, I can choose where I live, but there are towns or regions in Germany where Muslim youngsters already are the majority, our elites decided to bring them into the country, the people was never asked, the kids that live among a Muslim majority in the midst of Europe they cannot choose where to live, is this not Islamization when "unbelievers" are bullied or worse?
Why it is kept an "issue" that muslim culture would destroy European culture but American culture add nobody care?
American culture add destroys European cultures as well and has done it faster, better and in all silence and nobofy cry after their own culture (except me of course) ..
Sheesh, were you just born a few years ago?
For the last 40+years, American culture has routinely been the 'bad guy'...
It's just been the last year or two, that Europeans are less focused on American cultural imperialism.
Americanization is not necessarily good for Europe, just as it isn't for America (a lot of Europeans discount the fact that Americans are the first victims of Americanization), but most of the visible impact of Americanization is ultimately superficial and transient compared to the radical social reworking that is effected by a widespread immigration of people with a fundamentally different worldview.
Most of the underpinnings of American culture, including its corporate bullishness, are rooted in Western worldview, Enlightenment/post-Enlightenment values and institutions, etc. While Europeans are free to (and perhaps rightfully should) reject the American manifestation of those values and institutions, to deny their origins as being as foreign as sharia law and the precepts of Islam is simply false.
Still think that there is no difference, no clash between Islamic and European ( post-Christian) cultures? No, it's only a matter of time, when growing muslim population in Europe will demand to install the rules that suit them better.
That is not from a movie or something? lol, I guess I cannot say where they look like they ran away and should put back in...
Anyway I recommend some therapy, they seem to have some issues with adapting into a new society. Why they don't move into islamic country, they would be super happy there, all designed ready for them, just as they like
One aspect of American "culture" that is considerably more important than jeans or Coca Cola is free speech. "Manners" may be relevant in personal interactions, but participating in a public forum is subject to a different set of rules. Your post and last response only shows that the more significant aspects of our culture are over the heads of some Europeans.
As long as we're on the subject of manners, suggesting that he is not "honoring women" and is in "cavemanland" because he posts his possibly relevant observations, is a very juvenile, sexist, and offensive response. Not to mention ridiculous, given the subject of your thread and recent events in Finland, among other places, regarding the behavior of Muslim immigrant men.
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Of course there IS such thing as muslim culture and Christian ( or rather post-Christian) culture.
The philosophy behind each of these religions defines the place of woman in the family and society in general, it defines the laws for marriages and divorces, inheritance, relations with older generation in the family, grievances brought to court and the whole operation of judicial system. The differences between an Indonesian Muslim and Nigerian one is much smaller than you think- it's not Islam per se that sets the difference between them, but cultural differences of their respective countries, which is the whole different layer than religion itself. However if brought to a foreign land, when these two will start attending the same mosque, the difference will become practically non-existent. ( That's the whole design behind Islam.)
Likewise, the difference between a Peruvian Christian and a Kenyan one, might not be all that big as you might think. Now the difference between a Kenyan Christian and, say, some Dane from post-Christian society is a whole different story. The biggest difference however comes between the people from traditional Christian background ( i.e. Northern Europeans and Americans) and people of traditional Islamic countries ( the Gulf States.) This is where the "clash of civilizations" is the most pronounced.
You are not paying attention, apparently, what is forced upon whom.
But these are good examples of different perceptions of what's acceptable and what's not in every respective society;
Still think that there is no difference, no clash between Islamic and European ( post-Christian) cultures? No, it's only a matter of time, when growing muslim population in Europe will demand to install the rules that suit them better.
Nothing is being forced upon us, i'm free to live wherever i want in the European Union, the people that can be seen in the video are well organized minorities who want to resist integration. The majority of Muslims in our countries would never start a march such as the one that can be seen in Luton.
I think it's useless to talk of Islam being forced upon when it isn't even a recognized religion in several Western European countries including mine and when Muslim MEPs are all well integrated, well spoken and especially few and far in between (there is one in Italy)
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lol, I guess I cannot say where they look like they ran away and should put back in... 
