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View Poll Results: Which country?
Serbia 5 13.51%
Macedonia 0 0%
Montenegro 3 8.11%
Albania 2 5.41%
Kosovo 1 2.70%
Bosnia & Herzegovina 1 2.70%
Moldova 0 0%
Russia 5 13.51%
Ukraine 7 18.92%
Belarus 2 5.41%
Armenia 0 0%
Georgia 1 2.70%
Azerbaijan 0 0%
Other (please specify) 10 27.03%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-22-2017, 09:44 AM
 
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Who defends the EU today except some Liberal Scandinavians like you ? even a major part of the French (I'm French, so believe me I know what I'm talking about) and the Germans have no love lost for the EU. I'm not even talking about the British
The EU missed an historical opportunity during the Nineties to take its independence from the US and found an actual Union , a new united European Nation, after the demise of the Soviet Bloc and the end of Cold War.
After that window of opportunity was closed because of the Yugoslav wars, then economic crisis and Islamic threat, it was too late, Europe and the World had entered new stormy times and Governments had to put up with emergencies, not "nation-building"....
well, small countries of course need organizations such as the EU or NATO in order to feel more powerful. Otherwise, their tiny domestic market and absence of defense capabilities would be pretty difficult.

DO you mind elaborating the opportunity in the 90s?
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Old 10-22-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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Saudi Arabia....why not? Sharia law starting tomorrow!

And keep Switzerland out of it..only sane country in Europe currently
I think Poland, Hungary and Czechia are sane as well. It is Germany and Sweden that are insane.
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Old 10-23-2017, 02:58 AM
 
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What the EU is a mostly Franko-Germanic union. Mostly Germanic one though. So in a twisted way of faith Germany does rule over the rest of Europe.
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Old 10-23-2017, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Sweden
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I think Poland, Hungary and Czechia are sane as well. It is Germany and Sweden that are insane.
We are not insane.
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Old 10-23-2017, 09:54 AM
 
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Voted for Montenegro and I am not against anybody. As for Russia- it is obvious it will not want to join EU and thus we can completely exclude it.
I am myself from a new member state where the things are as well far from perfect and thus it would be even embarrassing to take myself as a role of a judge but I think for EU the easiest ones would be the smallest and least corrupt ones from the list. The worst choiche thus logically would be Ukraine as it it really big (compare it to all others! -the others are really small compared to it) and most corrupted. As well it is poorer than Turkey for instance. Moldova is poor, too but it is a small country compared to Ukraine.
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Old 10-23-2017, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Hanau, Germany
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Switzerland, Norway and Iceland in exchange for Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria and Romania.
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Old 10-23-2017, 11:18 AM
 
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Switzerland, Norway and Iceland in exchange for Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria and Romania.
They are not interested. One consequence would be allowing millions of "migrants" into their country just because Germany thinks it's a good idea.
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:35 PM
 
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They are not interested. One consequence would be allowing millions of "migrants" into their country just because Germany thinks it's a good idea.
Norway and Iceland are both members of the EEA and Schengen. That is the reason Norway has so many Eastern Europeans. Our prisons are filled with criminal Polish, Lithuanians and Romanians. That is one downside of this agreement. Non-western immigration is different issue, though. Some EU countries have a pretty strict refugee policy, like Denmark.
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Old 10-24-2017, 05:18 AM
 
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The idea of extending indefinitely the EU (at one moment there was even talk of including Turkey, Israel and Morocco, countries that are not even on the European Continent, except a wee little chunk of Turkey) seems fortunately abandoned by the deluded Eurofanatics who promoted it.
But even the idea of making a Federation (like the US) of the 27 remaining members of the EU is ridiculous : here we have different social systems, cultures, languages, currencies (some have the €, others have kept their local currency), organization of society (what is there in common between Sweden and Greece?). It's a daydream or a Brussel technocrat's wet dream. And what of the little feudal principalities (that serve as financial heavens and money laundering by the way) surrounded by EU like Monaco, Andorra, San Marino and (last but not least) the Vatican ? would they be included in the new European Superstate? or French overseas territories off Africa and South America? utterly ridiculous.
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Old 10-24-2017, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Finland
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The idea of extending indefinitely the EU (at one moment there was even talk of including Turkey, Israel and Morocco, countries that are not even on the European Continent, except a wee little chunk of Turkey) seems fortunately abandoned by the deluded Eurofanatics who promoted it.
What decade are you living in? Morocco applied itself and was rejected already in the early 80's.
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