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Old 08-18-2020, 07:20 PM
 
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Lukashenko needs to go, but before that, crush these morons out protesting. I desire a change of power and direction, but not via these morons protesting.

I will take that a little back, not everyone protesting, but a good bulk of them with ulterior motives, led/influenced by morons like the blogger's wife who now "claims" to be the new leader.

Really?

Then how do you see it fit?

See, the whole thing is, once the political field in former Soviet Republics has been cleansed back in the 90ies with the help of big money, the only *democratic opposition* that keeps on popping now here and there, is attached to the US ( directly or indirectly,) and serves American geopolitical interests.
Look at Navalny in Russia, look at Poroshenko/Zelensky in Ukraine, and now - meet the girls of Belorussian opposition.




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Old 08-18-2020, 07:29 PM
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Guys, CNNs best can't even reach the least of RT.

TASS says Lukashenko has condemned this new committee as a coup attempt. Ichoros post pointed out the similarities to Gaido and Venezuela, an usurper is deployed. The Poles tried that a long time ago during the time of troubles in Russia. Same tactics used in many places throughout history.

I have to agree on several points. Lukashenko is going to be gone. The problem is how and when. Sooner rather than later most likely but it just gets grimmer either way you look at it if the transition of power is problematic.
The usurper is Lukashenko. He seized power by rigging an election and deploying thugs to violently secure his position. He committed a coup on Aug 9 and the people are simply demanding the vote be accurately counted. There are some similarities to Venezuela but that is a different situation... I hope Belarus is not headed for ruin like that.
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Old 08-18-2020, 07:30 PM
 
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The usurper is Lukashenko. He seized power by rigging an election and deploying thugs to violently secure his position. He committed a coup on Aug 9 and the people are simply demanding the vote be accurately counted. There are some similarities to Venezuela but that is a different situation... I hope Belarus is not headed for ruin like that.
Nothing wrong with that. I support our president Trump and would have no issue if he did same thing.
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Old 08-18-2020, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Really?

Then how do you see it fit?

See, the whole thing is, once the political field in former Soviet Republics has been cleansed back in the 90ies with the help of big money, the only *democratic opposition* that keeps on popping now here and there, is attached to the US ( directly or indirectly,) and serves American geopolitical interests.
Look at Navalny in Russia, look at Poroshenko/Zelensky in Ukraine, and now - meet the girls of Belorussian opposition.
If you come to power of the liberal or Pro-Western candidate like Tikhanovskaya, that Belarus is waiting for the fate of Ukraine. This is unfortunate.
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Old 08-18-2020, 07:34 PM
 
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The usurper is Lukashenko. He seized power by rigging an election and deploying thugs to violently secure his position. He committed a coup on Aug 9 and the people are simply demanding the vote be accurately counted. There are some similarities to Venezuela but that is a different situation... I hope Belarus is not headed for ruin like that.

It should head for ruin like Ukraine instead?
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Old 08-18-2020, 07:38 PM
 
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If you come to power of the liberal or Pro-Western candidate like Tikhanovskaya, that Belarus is waiting for the fate of Ukraine. This is unfortunate.

That's what I am saying all along.
All this "democratic opposition" in former CIS countries serves American geopolitical interests and these *countries* are destroyed in the process.



The *Midas touch," you know...
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Old 08-18-2020, 08:35 PM
 
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That's what I am saying all along.
All this "democratic opposition" in former CIS countries serves American geopolitical interests and these *countries* are destroyed in the process.



The *Midas touch," you know...
+100500

But Lukashenko is no longer an option. Like Putin, he has been in power for too long.. Too embedded in it, and lost a scent of the needs of the people.. Tsepkalo probably would have been a good candidate.

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Old 08-18-2020, 10:53 PM
 
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+100500

But Lukashenko is no longer an option. Like Putin, he has been in power for too long.. Too embedded in it, and lost a scent of the needs of the people.. Tsepkalo probably would have been a good candidate.

Really?
And what's so good about him?

Same generic phrases, same generic promises of "everything good against everything bad." ("За всё хорошее" короче.)

Yes Tzepkalo was successful (probably) in creating strong IT sector in Belorussia, but running the country in a very peculiar, complex economic situation is a different thing.

Love this girl from Eastern Ukraine - excellent investigative journalism, well-researched information and detailed, objective analyses of every topic she cares to talk about.
You can see ( hear) for yourself, why Lukashenko was running the country for so long, why he resisted integration with Russia and why Putin was twisting his arm lately.

As you can see, Lukashenko is a Socialist ( not the Soviet style of course, since he has private sector in the country,) but he is definitely using subsidies for some of his state enterprises to keep people employed, not to mention his planned economy.
He definitely wants to keep social security net for his people as it was back in Soviet times, and he definitely makes Kremlin Inc subsidize all that via energy supplies.
He is firm enough demanding those subsidies from Putin, not being shy of threatening him when needed, that he would "turn to the West" instead.
(Lukashenko DOES understand geopolitics very well and the advantage/importance of geographical location of Belorussia for "Russia proper.")
With his clearly "left," Socialist policies, Belorussia was amazingly successful against all odds, even in times of Covid, - O. is giving the numbers for Belorussian economy - its steady growth of GDP, that she compares with the nosedive of Ukraine, and even with the US.

Kremlin Inc meantime is all about profits, it pursues the ultra-right policies and apparently HATES the fact that it's forced to subsidize Belorussian Socialism with its energy discounts, in order to have reliable political partner on the Western border.
And that's the reason why Putin wants Belorussia to be FULLY integrated in Russian economy - so that energy subsidies would stop, and Russian thuggish "business owners" would start raiding successful Belorussian enterprises instead.

Judging by Tzepkalo past, he could be very handy for this kind of integration ( unless his connection to IT biz in Belorussia would turn him in opposite direction, and he would start selling out the country to the West.
Both options were possible I suppose, in order to deliver the promised "changes" in Belorussia. )



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Old 08-18-2020, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Russia
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+100500

Tsepkalo probably would have been a good candidate.
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Really?
And what's so good about him?

Same generic phrases, same generic promises of "everything good against everything bad." ("За всё хорошее" короче.)
I guess I was wrong about Tsepkalo

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Old 08-19-2020, 07:33 AM
 
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Economists say Belarus could lose up to 50% of it's GDP if it severs ties with Russia. The new people want to do that.

How is that good for Belarus and Belarussians?
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