[Lillie767]

Originally Posted by AngelaRetired

With nuclear, which I am not an expert on, what about all those incidents with it over the years?

The US has operated many nuclear power plants since the 1950's. While there have been "reportable incidents", there have been no fatalities in the US for almost forty years.

Many of the reported incidents were self-contained. We are also much smarter about controls and dangers than we were forty years ago.

[AngelaRetired]

Originally Posted by Lillie767

The US has operated many nuclear power plants since the 1950's. While there have been "reportable incidents", there have been no fatalities in the US for almost forty years.

Many of the reported incidents were self-contained. We are also much smarter about controls and dangers than we were forty years ago.

Thanks for the feedback! Lol, I have seen way too many "movies" about this and had me concerned.

[jean_ji]

We are over 60 and have had solar panels with back up batteries for the last two years. We decided to spend our money on a solar system that we use every day rather than paying for an expensive whole house generator we might rarely, if ever use.

Our county extension office offered a zoom class on solar energy. The first point they made was to put money into making your house as energy efficient as possible with new windows/doors, energy efficient appliances etc., before thinking about solar. We had done all of that before we started looking into solar products and companies.

We had no problem recently switching insurance companies when Fed Nat went under. Solar has been a great choice for us, it may not be for others.

[AngelaRetired]

Originally Posted by jean_ji

We are over 60 and have had solar panels with back up batteries for two years. We decided to spend our money on a solar system that we use every day rather than paying for an expensive whole house generator we might rarely, if ever use.

Our county extension office offered a zoom class on solar energy. The first point they made was to put money into making your house as energy efficient as possible with new windows/doors, energy efficient appliances etc., before thinking about solar. We had done all of that before we started looking into solar products and companies.

We had no problem recently switching insurance companies when Fed Nat went under. Solar has been a great choice for us, it may not be for others.

I appreciate your feedback!!!

[AngelaRetired]

BY DAVID DORSEY
SEPTEMBER 1, 2022
PHOTO CREDIT:XANDO ENERGY; BRIAN TIETZ

Even a comparatively bad solar deal is likely to save consumers money when compared to what Florida Power & Light or LCEC power rates will do over the next two and a half decades, said Mark Wilkerson, a solar industry consultant and expert who has worked in the business for almost 40 years. Wilkerson hired Florida Solar Design Group to put solar on his own home in Babcock Ranch. He chose the Fort Myers-based company, he said, because they’re doing business the right way. But homeowners should seek multiple quotes and search for the best solar deal as opposed to accepting the first one they see.

Southwest Florida goes solar while the going is good - Gulfshore Business

https://www.gulfshorebusiness.com/so...going-is-good/

[WRnative]

It sounds as if the Florida legislature actively discourages the use of solar power in Florida, not only with the controversial personal liability insurance requirement, but by recently restricting net metering access. Do any other states have such laws? If so, which ones?



https://www.floridapowerservices.com...nce-explained/


As cheap flow battery storage systems become available in immediate years ahead, customers may just leave the electricity grid. Solar power systems and flow batteries may be designed to power entire neighborhoods.


https://www.zinc8energy.com/

[Corrie22]

Amazon Took All US Solar Rooftops Offline Last Year After Flurry of Fires, Electrical Explosions

Between April 2020 and June 2021, solar panels atop Amazon fulfillment centers caught fire or experienced electrical explosions at least six different times.

The documents, which have never been made public, indicate that between April 2020 and June 2021, Amazon experienced “critical fire or arc flash events” in at least six of its 47 North American sites with solar installations, affecting 12.7% of such facilities. Arc flashes are a kind of electrical explosion.

“The rate of dangerous incidents is unacceptable, and above industry averages,”

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/amaz...xplosions.html

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

Amazon Took All US Solar Rooftops Offline Last Year After Flurry of Fires, Electrical Explosions

Between April 2020 and June 2021, solar panels atop Amazon fulfillment centers caught fire or experienced electrical explosions at least six different times.

The documents, which have never been made public, indicate that between April 2020 and June 2021, Amazon experienced “critical fire or arc flash events” in at least six of its 47 North American sites with solar installations, affecting 12.7% of such facilities. Arc flashes are a kind of electrical explosion.

“The rate of dangerous incidents is unacceptable, and above industry averages,”

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/amaz...xplosions.html

Large commercial installations are NOT comparable to residential installations. Yet did the Amazon failures impact the electrical network or any network workers?



The residential liability insurance required by Florida allegedly is to protect the network and network workers. So the issue is how many times, if ever, has a problem with residential solar panels impacted the network, especially to the degree that it physically threatened workers maintaining the network. The reported evidence is that such a threat is minimal to non-existent, and there is no record of other states requiring such insurance. Any fire and damage caused to a house is covered by fire insurance, which rates will be adjusted upwards IF solar panels are a material hazard.

So why does Florida require $1 million of liability insurance for homeowners with solar panels? Consider that Florida doesn't require $1 million of liability insurance for autos, even though that risk is ascertainable and apparently much, much, much greater. In fact, the Florida minimal insurance requirements for vehicles are pathetically low (e.g., many auto accidents these days cause well in excess of $10,000 in property damage).

https://www.flhsmv.gov/insurance/


https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/states/


<<Florida does not require drivers to carry liability coverage for bodily injury suffered by other drivers, passengers, pedestrians, and bicyclists in an accident caused by the policyholder. Bodily injury liability (BIL) coverage is readily available for any driver who wants to add it to their policy in Florida. Keep in mind that, if you are found responsible for causing a car accident that allows an injured person to step outside of no-fault and sue you, without BIL coverage, you'll find yourself personally responsible for that person's losses.>>


https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...insurance.html

Given the disregard of victims of car crashes, why does the Florida political regime require such an apparently unjustifiable level of liability insurance for home solar panel installations???

The only conclusion is that the current Florida political regime seeks to actively discourage home solar panel installations, despite the certain existential threat that continued fossil fuel consumption poses to Florida (ignoring the false inanities repeatedly posted in this forum by Big Lie climate change deniers). Additionally, by distorting an economic decision unnecessarily, the Florida economy suffers compared to other states encouraging solar power, especially given the availability of hefty federal tax credits.

[Nerad]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Large commercial installations are NOT comparable to residential installations. Yet did the Amazon failures impact the electrical network or any network workers?



The residential liability insurance required by Florida allegedly is to protect the network and network workers. So the issue is how many times, if ever, has a problem with residential solar panels impacted the network, especially to the degree that it physically threatened workers maintaining the network. The reported evidence is that such a threat is minimal to non-existent, and there is no record of other states requiring such insurance. Any fire and damage caused to a house is covered by fire insurance, which rates will be adjusted upwards IF solar panels are a material hazard.

So why does Florida require $1 million of liability insurance for homeowners with solar panels? Consider that Florida doesn't require $1 million of liability insurance for autos, even though that risk is ascertainable and apparently much, much, much greater. In fact, the Florida minimal insurance requirements for vehicles are pathetically low (e.g., many auto accidents these days cause well in excess of $10,000 in property damage).

https://www.flhsmv.gov/insurance/


https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/states/


<<Florida does not require drivers to carry liability coverage for bodily injury suffered by other drivers, passengers, pedestrians, and bicyclists in an accident caused by the policyholder. Bodily injury liability (BIL) coverage is readily available for any driver who wants to add it to their policy in Florida. Keep in mind that, if you are found responsible for causing a car accident that allows an injured person to step outside of no-fault and sue you, without BIL coverage, you'll find yourself personally responsible for that person's losses.>>


https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...insurance.html

Given the disregard of victims of car crashes, why does the Florida political regime require such an apparently unjustifiable level of liability insurance for home solar panel installations???

The only conclusion is that the current Florida political regime seeks to actively discourage home solar panel installations, despite the certain existential threat that continued fossil fuel consumption poses to Florida (ignoring the false inanities repeatedly posted in this forum by Big Lie climate change deniers). Additionally, by distorting an economic decision unnecessarily, the Florida economy suffers compared to other states encouraging solar power, especially given the availability of hefty federal tax credits.

Wow this is incredible to read about the insurance. We have solar on our current house in NH and we have ZERO electric bill and in fact we get a check at the end of the yearly cycle (3/31 to 3/31). Payback was 62 months as our average bill was $270 month prior to install. Complete no brainer to install it.

Unfortunately people let politics drive decision making. We did the solar based on simple economics/ROI

Glad I read this thread and have to think about adding or not in FL

The other thing we did is we installed the hybrid electric water tank and it only runs in heat pump mode which cut about 4000 kWh from our annual usual. Even better is in Fsl they can help slightly cool a garage.

Unfortunately in some states the power company monopolies are able to thwart consumers benefitting from solar (example: TVA in Tennessee)

[HurricaneParty2022]

Originally Posted by AngelaRetired

Was there a reason for not doing Solar again?

Uh, because they lost their insurance.