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The "Mid-Atlantic" states historically were the successors of the Middle Colonies, a transition zone in the middle of, between, New England and the Southern colonies:
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Originally Posted by P Larsen
The "Mid-Atlantic" states historically were the successors of the Middle Colonies, a transition zone in the middle of, between, New England and the Southern colonies:
The Middle Colonies were a subset of the Thirteen Colonies in British America, located between the New England Colonies and the Southern Colonies. Along with the Chesapeake Colonies, this area now roughly makes up the Mid-Atlantic states.
The reason that The mid Atlantic is so weird is because New England is the only region with absolute borders that altering is just absolutely not allowed.
Meaning the true transition region PA/NJ/MD/DE has New York pegged onto it cause it really can’t be it’s own region but also can’t be New England
But nobody really considered New stork Mid Atlantic cause well, it’s quite far North
NY was one of the 4 "Middle Colonies," however. There's absolutely historical precedent for it to be categorized as "Mid-Atlantic."
I disagree. There are more "southernisms" compared to New York, but nearly not as many as Baltimore or Black DC.
The white non-Italian Philadelphian accent sounds identical to a Baltimore Accent and Philadelphia was chosen to survey the Mason-Dixon line. If it had been completed as intended, half of South Philly would've been considered part of the South, plus there are HBCUs and Waffle Houses in Philly's metro, unlike NYC, and Philly much more percentage of descendants from the southern migration
I think you're somewhat more likely to find Southern connections amongst the AA populations of the Philly area compared to metro NYC, but not dramatically different. Great Migration was heavy into Upstate NY, for that matter. NYC is just such a massive, perennial immigration magnet, that the AA culture amongst the Black population is a bit more diluted (or so it seems), but it's certainly still there.
The Philly and Baltimore accents are both considered "Midland" dialects, and even they are not exactly the same. There's some pronunciations with slight overlap with the Southern dialect, but they're still "Midland" dialects for a reason.
I think you're somewhat more likely to find Southern connections amongst the AA populations of the Philly area compared to metro NYC, but not dramatically different. Great Migration was heavy into Upstate NY, for that matter. NYC is just such a massive, perennial immigration magnet, that the AA culture amongst the Black population is a bit more diluted (or so it seems), but it's certainly still there.
The Philly and Baltimore accents are both considered "Midland" dialects, and even they are not exactly the same. There's some pronunciations with slight overlap with the Southern dialect, but they're still "Midland" dialects for a reason.
I don't think you can judge both cities on their AA populations. In both cases, African Americans are migrants from the South to begin with bringing their own southern culture. The AA descendants who used to inhabit NY and Philly (who were not as isolated as their southern counterparts and did not experience Jim Crow) probably live in Colorado by now or other areas out West.
I don't think you can judge both cities on their AA populations. In both cases, African Americans are migrants from the South to begin with bringing their own southern culture. The AA descendants who used to inhabit NY and Philly (who were not as isolated as their southern counterparts and did not experience Jim Crow) probably live in Colorado by now or other areas out West.
NYC is more cosmopolitan with slightly less racial and class segregation compared to Philly. African Americans are not the majority so their influence on the city's overall culture is less'pronounced'.
For the same reason that people think the Midwest stops at the Mississippi River, that the Great Lakes can't be both Midwest and Northeast, and for the same reason people think Dallas & Houston aren't the South:
Some people can't accept that regions can span multiple geographies.
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