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Ft. Worth is in the same boat as St. Paul. They are both cool cities, but massively overshadowed by their big brother.
Honolulu is interesting, though. It is a popular city, but I don't hear it's name thrown around here very often on C-D.
I don't know much about Fort Worth, but I think St. Paul has a lot more pull within its metro area. St. Paul is the seat of the state government, major center for the medical device industry, and has a very distinct personality and culture sort of separate from Minneapolis. Fort Worth I have always thought of as more of a city that grew up because of Dallas, not in spite of it. But I could be wrong.
My impression is also that the Minneapolis-St. Paul rivalry is a bit more....um...intense? than Dallas vs. Fort Worth....
I don't know much about Fort Worth, but I think St. Paul has a lot more pull within its metro area. St. Paul is the seat of the state government, major center for the medical device industry, and has a very distinct personality and culture sort of separate from Minneapolis. Fort Worth I have always thought of as more of a city that grew up because of Dallas, not in spite of it. But I could be wrong.
My impression is also that the Minneapolis-St. Paul rivalry is a bit more....um...intense? than Dallas vs. Fort Worth....
Very true. I like reading about the old Minneapolis-St. Paul rivalry -- where they would build bigger and better things just to better the other.
I really like St. Paul, but it still doesn't get the recognition it deserves, state capital and all. I can't make much of an informed post about Ft. Worth, as I have never strayed outside of the Dallas half of the metro. I'd like to visit one day, though.
Fort Worth I have always thought of as more of a city that grew up because of Dallas, not in spite of it. But I could be wrong.
My impression is also that the Minneapolis-St. Paul rivalry is a bit more....um...intense? than Dallas vs. Fort Worth....
You can't be more wrong.
Dallas survived because of FW and the other cities in Texas and the surrounding states.
FW's cattle industry fed Dallas shipping industry. SA's cotton industry did the same. Houston's port did the Same. None of the other cities really need Dallas, but Dallas's existent depended on the Industries of its neighbors.
As for the the rivalry, the FW- Dallas one is just as intense as the ST Paul- Minneapolis one. There is lots of name calling and looking down upon in DFW.
On C-D Honolulu rarely gets mentioned. Even on threads dealing a topic like Asians you rarely hear Honolulu mentioned even those it's the most Asian city in the US by far. It also has a pretty impressive skyline and stunning scenery, but again not mentioned that often when that topic comes up.
Hartford, CT, for having an Economy larger than New Orleans, its gets mentioned less than 1/2 as much, unless someone is listing the "small" cities in the Boswash Corridor.
Fort Worth IS in the shadow of Dallas. It's part of the DFW area and would not stand alone as a MAJOR city without Dallas unless Fort Worth captured a lot of the growth that would have gone to Dallas instead. Same with St Paul. They would be more in line with OKC, a small metro that gets about the amount of attention it deserves for what the city offers.
I think OKC is getting more attention than it derves. What they have done there in the past decade has been amazing, but there is still not a lot to do in OKC. It's a very spread out suburban type mid sized city with quite a bit of urban blight with an NBA team and a very out of place skyscraper.
Major cities that don't get a lot of national respect are basically all of the bigger historic stand along metros (that offer a lot of culture, entertainment, pro sports, history, urban living options etc) Those cities offer nearly anything the more well known coastal cities offer, only they are in "flyover country".
So Milwaukee, St Louis, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Cleveland, even places like Pittsburgh and Denver. Large metropolitan areas with vibrant and interesting urban cores, big city arts and pro sports scenes, large amusement parks etc that are totally overlooked because they are not on the coasts.
Having said that, St Paul has a great downtown and a nice skyline!
Jacksonville Florida, I would say 80% of the population doesn't know its the largest city in Florida.
Yea, and the city of Wichita is bigger than the city of St Louis. So what. We all know that Wichita does not compare to StL nor is Wichita a bigger city than St Loius.
Miami is the largest city in FL.
If Des Moines annexed 80% of the state of Iowa, would you rank it a top five city?
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