Do certain ethnic groups make a place more Southern/Northeasern, etc? (calculating, live in)
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The Dutch in New York go WAY back, and this accounts for the preponderance of Dutch names in NY ( Schenectady, Watervliet, New Amsterdam, even Manhattan and the NBA team known as the Knickerbockers, and the old CBA team known as the Patroons).
And, of course, there's that family named Roosevelt..
The Dutch in New York go WAY back, and this accounts for the preponderance of Dutch names in NY ( Schenectady, Watervliet, New Amsterdam, even Manhattan and the NBA team known as the Knickerbockers, and the old CBA team known as the Patroons).
And, of course, there's that family named Roosevelt..
I thought Manhattan was the name the Indians gave to the island.
I thought Manhattan was the name the Indians gave to the island.
Yeah, it is a Lenape (Algonquin) name. But there are literally dozens and dozens of Dutch place names in New York and New Jersey. And you still run across a lot of people with Dutch surnames, too. Not a lot percentage-wise, but they are out there.
Where does the legend of Baltimore's "large Greek population" come from? Was it created by The Wire, or does it date further back to Spiro Agnew?
They are just a population that had a large impact on Baltimore's history and heritage. Like other northeastern cities, Baltimore had numerous enclaves for white ethnics. These included the famous Greeks of Greektown and Highland, the Czechs (Little Bohemia), the Poles (Polish town), the Irish, and the Italians (Little Italy). Baltimore has experienced one of the most serious cases of white flight since the 1950's, so since then the white ethnic populations dispersed leaving a very black city. Greektown, Little Bohemia, etc are all a shadow of what they once were. The Greek, Polish, Italian, and other ethnic population have mostly moved out to places like Towson, Catonsville, Pikesville, Columbia, etc and assimilated to "white" culture. Those numbers showing Baltimore as .7% Greek are misleading. I am not a native Marylander or American, so it strikes me to see the Greek celebrations in Baltimore and parts of the city dominated by Greek restaurants, flying Greek flags, and harboring the Greek language. I am very sure that there is nothing similar in Charleston or Memphis.. I would take those ancestry reports with a big grain of salt, because they are quite inaccurate. Look at Eddie's data that shows Columbus is 4.6% sub-Saharan African. In reality it is very obviously closer to 30%, so the numbers are clearly way off.
Where does this idea come from that the Baltimore metro doesn't have a similar percentage/number of White ethnics as other cities because of White Flight? How do you think so many Italians wound up in Jersey?
The numbers down there have always been lower.
Boston - 36.45% of MSA (49.38% of NHW population)
New York - 32.26% of MSA (66.94% of NHW population)
Philadelphia - 33.03% of MSA (51.26% of NHW population)
Baltimore - 19.98% of MSA (33.78% of NHW population)
Washington - 14.25% of MSA (30.42% of NHW population)
Last edited by BajanYankee; 10-08-2014 at 07:40 AM..
They are just a population that had a large impact on Baltimore's history and heritage. Like other northeastern cities, Baltimore had numerous enclaves for white ethnics. These included the famous Greeks of Greektown and Highland, the Czechs (Little Bohemia), the Poles (Polish town), the Irish, and the Italians (Little Italy). Baltimore has experienced one of the most serious cases of white flight since the 1950's, so since then the white ethnic populations dispersed leaving a very black city. Greektown, Little Bohemia, etc are all a shadow of what they once were. The Greek, Polish, Italian, and other ethnic population have mostly moved out to places like Towson, Catonsville, Pikesville, Columbia, etc and assimilated to "white" culture. Those numbers showing Baltimore as .7% Greek are misleading. I am not a native Marylander or American, so it strikes me to see the Greek celebrations in Baltimore and parts of the city dominated by Greek restaurants, flying Greek flags, and harboring the Greek language. I am very sure that there is nothing similar in Charleston or Memphis.. I would take those ancestry reports with a big grain of salt, because they are quite inaccurate. Look at Eddie's data that shows Columbus is 4.6% sub-Saharan African. In reality it is very obviously closer to 30%, so the numbers are clearly way off.
First off, you need to understand that the mere presence of businesses in a certain place don't mean that there is a large ethnic population, but an enclave. For example, in Chicago there is a small area where you see lots of East African restaurants. Ethiopian, Eritrean, and the like. However, as a whole our East African population is very small. If you have issue with these statistics that are objective, rather than your opinion which is subjective, then refute the data.
Secondly, do you know what sub-Saharan African ancestry actually even means? It doesn't mean the same thing as African-American. It means that in Columbus there are 4.6% of people that can trace their roots to actual nations in sub-Saharan Africa AKA recent African immigrants, NOT African-Americans whose ancestors have been here for hundreds of years.
Yeah, it is a Lenape (Algonquin) name. But there are literally dozens and dozens of Dutch place names in New York and New Jersey. And you still run across a lot of people with Dutch surnames, too. Not a lot percentage-wise, but they are out there.
I agree. Like Brooklyn and Yonkers, or the various "Kills" like Catskill (Dutch) and the Arthur Kill (Dutch) which of course is the Staten Island Sound (the name Staten is also Dutch).
Simply hearing a Dutch person learn English shows you the carryover of the Dutch language into the New York accent.
I agree that the Dutch had a huge Northeast presence. In the present day, however, their center is the Midwest. There certainly is a reason that Grand Rapids, Michigan is called the Dutch Mecca. That area definitely has zero Northeast in it. An East Coast person would probably see no comparison between West Michigan and the East Coast. Go further west by Lake Michigan and more than half of the people you meet will be very tall and have names with what seems to be an overkill of vowels. It's always something like VanDeBoomzingaboersma or something like that. The fact that my very Dutch friend got weird looks and always asked why she was so tall when she went to New York City is telling of how much the demographics have changed. Like they have never seen a person like her. Her roots are in the Midwest and she currently lives in Grand Rapids, where she blends in quite well. Actually, many Dutch people of the Midwest retain some of their Dutch pronunciations and you do hear some of them at times sounding a bit like New Yorkers. We always make fun of them here for that.
Last edited by EddieOlSkool; 10-08-2014 at 07:49 AM..
First off, you need to understand that the mere presence of businesses in a certain place don't mean that there is a large ethnic population, but an enclave. For example, in Chicago there is a small area where you see lots of East African restaurants. Ethiopian, Eritrean, and the like. However, as a whole our East African population is very small.
This would be akin to the Asian populations in most cities east of the Mississippi River. A lot of cities will have some Asians, but not enough to impact the region's politics or culture on any meaningful scale.
In the SF Bay Area, however, you immediately feel the Asian presence. All of our cab drivers were Asian. All of our restaurant servers were Asian. The construction crews working on Market Street were Asian. The security guards in the BART station were Asian. Most of the realtor ads we saw featured Asians. And the mayors of San Francisco and Oakland are--you guessed it--Asian. There's a strong, deep rooted Asian cultural influence out there that you don't find here. Asians and Mexicans are to the Bay Area what the Italians and Irish are here.
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