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No US or Canadian city has the urban density that Madrid and Berlin do throughout the city. Only NYC can match or exceed the urban levels found in large European cities on a wide scale.
Not true. The most densely populated major US cities are New York(10,756.0/km2), San Francisco (7,022/km2) and Boston (5,151/km2).
Berlin's population density is 4,000/km2, Madrid's is 5,390/km2 and London's is 5,354/km2.
Not true. The most densely populated major US cities are New York(10,756.0/km2), San Francisco (7,022/km2) and Boston (5,151/km2).
Berlin's population density is 4,000/km2, Madrid's is 5,390/km2 and London's is 5,354/km2.
I think the density is there for US certain cities; it's just that the pedestrian-friendliness and mixed-use zoning is lacking in
US cities (save for New York) relative to European cities. San Francisco has it, but its city limits are small. I was wondering if there was any US city that had a pedestrian-friendly atmosphere for as large a contiguous expanse as Madrid or Berlin.
I think the density is there for US certain cities; it's just that the pedestrian-friendliness and mixed-use zoning is lacking in
US cities (save for New York) relative to European cities. San Francisco has it, but its city limits are small. I was wondering if there was any US city that had a pedestrian-friendly atmosphere for as large a contiguous expanse as Madrid or Berlin.
I've spent some time in Madrid and Barcelona. Nothing quite compares to the pedestrian level of these cities, save for the oldest of American cities. American cities are simply built with a different form than older premiere European cities.
Not true. The most densely populated major US cities are New York(10,756.0/km2), San Francisco (7,022/km2) and Boston (5,151/km2).
Berlin's population density is 4,000/km2, Madrid's is 5,390/km2 and London's is 5,354/km2.
Berlin has gigantic city limits and includes areas of farmland/woodland. It's useless to compare across city limits when trying to determine urban scale.
For example, Madrid and London technically have the same city density, but in reality Madrid is MUCH denser. You need to look at the particulars by city.
I've spent some time in Madrid and Barcelona. Nothing quite compares to the pedestrian level of these cities, save for the oldest of American cities. American cities are simply built with a different form than older premiere European cities.
And even European cities don't quite match up to Spanish cities. Your typical German or British city won't match up with Spanish equivalents in terms of urban scale.
Spain might have the tighest/densest urban scale of any Western first world country. There are barely any single family homes in Spanish cities; in Germany and the UK (and certainly in the U.S.) they're the norm. Even France and Italy, which are quite dense and apartment-oriented, don't quite match up.
There are many single family homes, with yards, even, in the heart of London. Good luck finding one in central Madrid.
And even European cities don't quite match up to Spanish cities. Your typical German or British city won't match up with Spanish equivalents in terms of urban scale.
Spain might have the tighest/densest urban scale of any Western first world country. There are barely any single family homes in Spanish cities; in Germany and the UK (and certainly in the U.S.) they're the norm. Even France and Italy, which are quite dense and apartment-oriented, don't quite match up.
There are many single family homes, with yards, even, in the heart of London. Good luck finding one in central Madrid.
Hmm, France has dense cities, and Paris is on another level than both Madrid and Barcelona. You won't find SFHs in French major cities, and even in many Paris suburbs.
Prague is definitely more beautiful, but maybe it's a theme with me haha. I like Madrid over Barcelona because it takes time to fall in love. Prague is more beautiful than Budapest on the surface, but I found Budapest to be more intriguing. Krakow is prettier, but I like the history of Warsaw and it's bigger.
Romania was nice to visit but I didn't know poverty like that existed in Europe till I got there. Even the rich that drive Audis and BMWs and MBs live in quite dumpy commie blocks and the roads are horribly paved. Drive from Romania into Hungary and it's like leaving third world to enter first world on one road.
Krakow has all the history. Much of Warsaw had to be rebuilt after the war. Romania does have poverty, but Bucharest is a solid city.
Hmm, France has dense cities, and Paris is on another level than both Madrid and Barcelona. You won't find SFHs in French major cities, and even in many Paris suburbs.
Not true. Barcelona and Madrid have roughly similar density as Paris.
And Paris isn't representative of France. It's like using NYC as typical U.S. The fact is that Spanish cities tend to be denser and more apartment-oriented than French cities.
There are lots of SFH in Paris environs, BTW. Most of suburban Paris is oriented in that manner.
Not true. Barcelona and Madrid have roughly similar density as Paris.
And Paris isn't representative of France. It's like using NYC as typical U.S. The fact is that Spanish cities tend to be denser and more apartment-oriented than French cities.
There are lots of SFH in Paris environs, BTW. Most of suburban Paris is oriented in that manner.
Paris and its adjacent suburbs are denser than Barcelona or Madrid by quite a margin. You can find SFH in many Paris suburbs but quite far from the center.
Spain might be more apartment oriented than France but French cities remain very dense.
Krakow has all the history. Much of Warsaw had to be rebuilt after the war. Romania does have poverty, but Bucharest is a solid city.
Historical buildings, yes. Krakow wins. "History" Warsaw would win. It's the biggest city and I actually love how it rose from nothingness to such a modern world class city. Bucharest is nice, yes, but it would be strange for someone to be dying to live in Bucharest over somewhere like Madrid, Barcelona, Rome, London, etc.
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