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Northeastern Iowa has hills and Catholics, more politically moderate, grades into SW Wisconsin and the northwestern-most couple of counties of Illinois. Dubuque sometimes felt like it was next to Scranton and Wilkes-Barre. Waterloo, Cedar Rapids, and Quad Cities (Davenport/Rock Island/Moline etc.) are outposts of the greater Lakes/Rust Belt, not so very different from Erie PA, or Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse NY.
There's a few blocks in Dubuque you could confuse for Pennsylvania. See around here, for example. Rowhouses in every direction as you pan the camera. It's a shame Dubuque urban-renewed most of this into oblivion.
There's a few blocks in Dubuque you could confuse for Pennsylvania. See around here, for example. Rowhouses in every direction as you pan the camera. It's a shame Dubuque urban-renewed most of this into oblivion.
I feel like the Northeast does extend visually and arguably in other ways across the country. What I mean is that you can be in states not in the Northeast but still see many Northeastern elements in areas not considered Northeastern by anyone.
To me I find this in places like:
Cincinnati: Arguably as visually close to Pennsylvania as Ohio can get in a city environment. From the topography to the architecture, the Cincinnati/ Northern Kentucky area has that Pennsylvania look that isn't associated with the Midwest.
South Side of Chicago: it has that gritty Rust Belt look with abandoned steel mills, plus the Calumet region has a Jerseyish character wherein forested areas can border industrialized areas and all can occupy the same area at once. Northwest Indiana (greater Chicago) has a look similar to South Jersey around Philly. Industrial Indiana in general has some Jersey traits in and of itself. On the Illinois side, you've got places like the South suburbs of Chicago that are very much like South Jersey suburbs of Philly. And in Indiana, Gary and East Chicago are eerily like Camden.
St. Louis: the rowhouses, and elevation changes outside of the city remind me of Philly and its piedmont fall line. The climate can also have a landlocked Mid-Atlantic feel with very hot summers and not so cold winters.
Michigan: This one is like Upstate New York without the mountains. It has that very forested "Northwoods" type feel juxtaposed with industry.
Any others?
Cincinnati has river valley hills; Pennsylvania has mountains, but many consider western PA to not be in the northeast ie Pittsburgh.
Any of the old industrial cities have similarities ie the Rust Belt. I'll give you Camden and Gary being alike but Camden is changing for the better; no such positive spill over into Gary as of yet.
Chicago is prairie flat, but you can say parts of Detroit, Toledo, Cleveland, Milwaukee etc all have similar characteristics with each other. The difference is the people in the Northeast v. Chicago/Midwest.
Cincinnati has river valley hills; Pennsylvania has mountains, but many consider western PA to not be in the northeast ie Pittsburgh.
Any of the old industrial cities have similarities ie the Rust Belt. I'll give you Camden and Gary being alike but Camden is changing for the better; no such positive spill over into Gary as of yet.
Chicago is prairie flat, but you can say parts of Detroit, Toledo, Cleveland, Milwaukee etc all have similar characteristics with each other. The difference is the people in the Northeast v. Chicago/Midwest.
Not sure that flatness is necessarily region specific when you say Chicago is prairie flat. South Jersey is pretty darn flat and I was using that as the reference point. After the fall line the Northeast gets Chicago flat quickly. I was referring to the post industrial landscape that Northwest Indiana/the Calumet shares with Jersey.
Also the Pittsburgh and Cincinnati reference was more about housing stock.
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Cincinnati has river valley hills; Pennsylvania has mountains, but many consider western PA to not be in the northeast ie Pittsburgh.
Any of the old industrial cities have similarities ie the Rust Belt. I'll give you Camden and Gary being alike but Camden is changing for the better; no such positive spill over into Gary as of yet.
Chicago is prairie flat, but you can say parts of Detroit, Toledo, Cleveland, Milwaukee etc all have similar characteristics with each other. The difference is the people in the Northeast v. Chicago/Midwest.
Ok I'll take the bait. You mention Chicago - Midwest. As if a vs the East in people different? Is that Chicago in particular in the Midwest? (given your general attitude toward Chicagoans) and what is this difference in particular?
Actually, Chicago is closer to Eastern in could be Plopped down there? Then to the true Prarie areas it evolved on.
Michigan has the strongest "Yankee" influence of the Midwestern states. It's a gradual transition, from Upstate NY, to Michigan, to Wisconsin/Minnesota. Michigan seems to be a mid-point between Upstate NY and Upper Midwest.
Not sure that flatness is necessarily region specific when you say Chicago is prairie flat. South Jersey is pretty darn flat and I was using that as the reference point. After the fall line the Northeast gets Chicago flat quickly. I was referring to the post industrial landscape that Northwest Indiana/the Calumet shares with Jersey.
I get what your saying, south jersey is flat, the coastal plain vs. the vast prairie flatness of the Chicago area. But the Indiana/Calumet industrial landscape is the same as any other post industrial city/area/region ie Youngstown as much as Detroit.
When I see NW Indiana I don't think ''gee, this reminds me of Jersey." I don't see the unique connection to the Northeast U.S.
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