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Old 10-04-2019, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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In the COA: +78,000/133 sq miles +586ppsm

COB +78,000/48 Sq miles +1625ppsm

Metro Atlanta +700,000 people 11.2% growth in city proper

Metro Boston +330,000 23.6% of Growth in City proper

Cambridge: +13,600/6.4sq miles +2416ppsm

Chelsea: 5,000/2.2 +2272ppsm

Everett MA 5200/3.4. +1529ppsm

Somerville MA: 5,800/4.1. +1415ppsm

Watertown MA 4,100/4.1. +1000ppsm

In 68.2 sq miles Boston has gained 111,700 that’s in almost exactly 1/2 the area of the entire COA and over 1/3rd of the total metro growth.

Well, how nice. Sorry, but I'm not impressed. Most of us here don't desire that sort of density, but I stand by my statement. The urbanization of the core here has been beyond impressive.


Atlanta has a about third of the City zoned for very large residential lots, including several square miles of multi-acre estates. We will never be as dense as other cities simply due to that, and I could care less. It's plenty urban where it needs to be.
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:08 PM
 
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Well, how nice. Sorry, but I'm not impressed. Most of us here don't desire that sort of density, but I stand by my statement. The urbanization of the core here has been beyond impressive.


Atlanta has a about third of the City zoned for very large residential lots, including several square miles of multi-acre estates. We will never be as dense as other cities simply due to that, and I could care less. It's plenty urban where it needs to be.
Doesn't change the fact that there has been substantially less growth in the core of the Atlanta metro than the Boston metro. (at 130sq miles about 130,000 people have moved to metro Boston)

That's a pretty large difference.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:39 PM
 
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Definitely, Boston's infill is on a different level entirely, in quantity and form.
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Old 10-04-2019, 11:45 PM
 
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Austin, Seattle, DC, Toronto & Nashville probably underwent the largest changes over the decade.
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Old 10-05-2019, 12:53 AM
 
Location: WA Desert, Seattle native
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Seattle has changed incredibly in the past decade. Not always for the good. But the skyline has been transformed. Unfortunately the homeless negates a lot of the growth.
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Old 10-05-2019, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Doesn't change the fact that there has been substantially less growth in the core of the Atlanta metro than the Boston metro. (at 130sq miles about 130,000 people have moved to metro Boston)

That's a pretty large difference.
We aren't a several hundred year old Colonial seaport that was already a large, dense city prior to the advent of automobiles. Apples and oranges.

I love Boston, but I would much rather live here. It's dense enough for me in my condo neighborhood in an older, inner-ring suburb.
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Old 10-05-2019, 07:42 AM
 
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We aren't a several hundred year old Colonial seaport that was already a large, dense city prior to the advent of automobiles. Apples and oranges.

I love Boston, but I would much rather live here. It's dense enough for me in my condo neighborhood in an older, inner-ring suburb.
I am not saying Boston is better than Atlanta I am saying the city’s urban core has grown more which is justified numerically.

Atlanta’s city growth capture is better than Dallas’s but it is still very suburb heavy.
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Old 10-05-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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Detroit.

I'm not trying to take away anything from the other cities on the list. Good cases have been made for them.

However, Detroit's reputation has gone up significantly among area residents and nationally. People who want to keep showing the pictures of decayed buildings and acting like that's all there is in Detroit are significantly out of touch.

People are going to complain that we still have issues - and we aren't as "cool" as some of the other cities listed. Yes, we do still have significant issues to overcome. A lot of families still move out once they decide to have kids...etc. And - there's simply no way that we even try to meet the Seattle, Austin, Atlanta coolness factor. However, you simply can't deny the buzz and the hope that people have for Detroit these days. It's a different city than it was even 5 years ago.

Major corporations are moving back to the city core from the suburbs. There are new businesses opening all the time because the city has been cleaned up. Housing is on par with what you'd expect for a growing, booming area. It's a destination city for a lot of 20-30 somethings these days. It's a place that people want to be these days. That hasn't been true for a very long time.

I'm one of those suburbanites that never would have gone down to Detroit by myself, regardless of how much money you paid me a few years ago. I'm a huge Detroit booster these days because the transformation has just been amazing. I've seen it for myself and I'm just amazed at how much the city has changed in just a few years. And every time I go there - it's even better. Night and day different. That's why I think Detroit deserves a place on this list.

It's a list about transformation and you can't deny that Detroit has transformed a lot. It seems to me that a lot of cities have just gotten bigger or cooler/more popular, but has their very essence changed that much in 10 years. There is now hope in Detroit where there wasn't hope even a few years ago. Detroit simply isn't the burnt out hollow shell it was 10 years ago. And pretending otherwise is to deny reality.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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With all respect for American, except for New York, no city in the US has matched the following 3 Candian cities in the last 9 years for growth.

1. Toronto - Toronto continues to get enormous by adding 1.5 million to the region in the time frame and will have added over 550 highrises from 2010 to 2020
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617032

2. Calgary - Calgary has really matured and solidified itself as English Canada's number 2 destination city after Toronto, sorry Vancouver. Calgary will also have added 85 Highrises between 2010 and 2020
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617037

3. Montreal - Montreal has been growing consistently in size and has started to really boom in recent years, and will have added 135 Highrises between 2010 and 2020
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617040

Honorable mentions
4. Vancouver Canada's only large west coast city continued its strong growth with over 150 highrises added from 2010 to 2020. it, however, is not number 2 because it did not transform as much as Calgary and Montreal
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617045

the following are the highrise growth from 2010 to 2020 of the other cities i have seen discussed here

Miami..89 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617048

Washington...68 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617054

Austin...59 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617056

Seattle....52 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617073

Boston...50 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617061

Atlanta....33 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617064

the data for all these I got here

https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?

Last edited by Trojan1982; 10-05-2019 at 07:04 PM..
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Old 10-05-2019, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Point Loma, San Diego, CA
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With all respect for American, except for New York, no city in the US has matched the following 3 Candian cities in the last 9 years for growth.

1. Toronto - Toronto continues to get enormous by adding 1.5 million to the region in the time frame and will have added over 550 highrises from 2010 to 2020
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617032

2. Calgary - Calgary has really matured and solidified itself as English Canada's number 2 destination city after Toronto, sorry Vancouver. Calgary will also have added 85 Highrises between 2010 and 2020
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617037

3. Montreal - Montreal has been growing consistently in size and has started to really boom in recent years, and will have added 135 Highrises between 2010 and 2020
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617040

Honorable mentions
4. Vancouver Canada's only large west coast city continued its strong growth with over 150 highrises added from 2010 to 2020. it, however, is not number 2 because it did not transform as much as Calgary and Montreal
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617045

the following are the highrise growth from 2010 to 2020 of the other cities i have seen discussed here

Miami..89 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617048

Washington...68 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617054

Austin...59 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617056

Seattle....52 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617073

Boston...50 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617061

Atlanta....33 highrises
https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=86617064

the data for all these I got here

https://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?
This is pretty incredible.

We are definitely getting smoked by Canada. Kind of deflates the "but we don't have the density" rhetoric on this forum as Canada is one of the most sparsely populated places on earth.
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