Should Abortion be illegal? (ethic, high school, party, economic)
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The millions of babies who's lives where cut short are willing to take that risk. Their lives matter too.
Those who care more about fetuses than women and their reproductive rights are, thankfully, in the minority. Therefore, abortion is legal and will, no doubt, remain legal.
Adoption...before Russia cut off the USA from adopting, thousands of babies came from Alcoholic parents there (it is systemic) who found good homes and are living productive lives.
The baby is a human. It has rights. It isn't just part of the woman's body.
Why is it that unless you are part of the 1% (even then) in order to adopt a white baby you have to go to Eastern Europe? I'll tell you why. Because wealth and comfort are artificially concentrated into the 1%. In NYC to be poor means to be black and brown. I had to leave New York before I met poor people that were other than black and brown. And the poorest of these not black or brown people had more access to living at close to a Middle Class Standard than most. You could TRY to eliminate abortion through legal means or you could end poverty and indigence through a reasonable program of wealth distribution. One way is doomed to fail. That's the path you are on now. If America had the GINI index of Western Europe this thread would not need to exist! If you don't think that having 500 billionaires in a population creates a huge mass of poor people that have no recourse except unwanted pregnancy roulette then you are badly misguided. Why are we talking about Russian children? Why aren't American parents adopting American children? Do you hear the subtle, but pervasive White Supremacy that tinges these thoughts? Hmmmm. Norway would have the exact same income and wealth distribution as the U.S. if it had the same racial demographics. But it does not. All but 2% to 3% of Norwegians share the same ancestry. That is changing of course and don't think that isn't causing a lot of hand-wringing and outright violence. Abortion is not a moral issue, it is an economic one. Ignore that FACT at your peril, hypocrites.
I support abortion myself & until your the one who carries/pushes the baby out, then mind your own damn business. I don't care what your religion is or lack of.
Well, good. As President Bill Clinton said famously, "I want abortion to be safe, legal, and rare."
There are over 700,000 abortions in the U.S. every year.
I oppose my tax money going to fund abortion clinics. I know that through the magic of accounting my tax money funds "other services at the clinic" but not "abortions".
I think all the rich people who support abortion should fund Planned Parenthood.
They're not fiddling the books to fool people into think they don't federally fund abortions when they secretly do. Remember, most of the services women get at women's clinics are for the PREVENTION of pregnancy along with things like cancer screenings. And that is what the federal funds go for. If you go in for an abortion, you pay for it out of pocket. They don't just give an abortion to you if you walk in and ask for one; you'd better have cash in hand or it's not happening.
And if you go in for an abortion, they don't let you leave without a complete training on your birth-control options, and ideally a prescription as well, so it doesn't happen again.
In other words, Planned Parenthood DOES keep abortions rare.
Can I just point out that before abortions were legal, just one single NYC emergency room reported losing a woman every single day to an illegal abortion. They were able to save others who got to them fast enough, but of course many women who aborted illegally never saw the inside of an ER before they died.
Let's do the math. As of 2 years ago, 2013, there were 5,025 emergency rooms in the USA. If each of them lost one woman to an illegal abortion daily, that would mean 1,834,125 deaths a year. Some wouldn't lose any, but some would lose more than one a day. If you count the fetus as a person, and many do, that's 3,668,250 deaths a year. NOT counting the women who died in motel rooms with coathangers up inside them. NOT counting the ones the ER was able to save. Or any of those women's fetuses.
I spent the first 1/3 of my life living in a very poor Brooklyn ghetto, and all my contacts, relatives and lovers were poor and marginalized. Although poor, my family is quite upwardly mobile. The church I attended was exactly the same way. One way or another I have been witness to or heard first hand of dozens of abortion procedures of friends, lovers and close acquaintances.
During the second third of my life I moved to the Midwest and because of an interracial relationship, lived in a wealthy suburb with an exclusively upscale population. It had never occurred to me to think that any other kind but the poor women who looked like me back in the ghetto, might need to have abortions. I met several women who had had at least one, and in one case two. These are women with degrees from Universities you have heard of. Women that went right from college into jobs paying $80K/yr. Smart. Pretty. Successful. One very close friend had an abortion during the first year of her marriage. It was just too soon in their married life to start on parenting. They have four children today. They have been married at least 25 years. Had they kept that first child it is an open question as to whether their marriage would have survived. We are talking about people whose parents are in the 1% here.
Abortion will never go away for the wealthy. The hypocrites in this thread talk about "hookers and tramps" but hookers and tramps don't have huge numbers of children OR abortions. Hypocrites want to force poor women into serving life sentences for the crime of fornication. Seems fair on its face, but... is it? But more to the point, if there were no safe and legal abortion and no State welfare, these poor, unloved children WOULD wind up in State criminal custody ($$$) or as military conscripts where they can participate in America's program of International Dominance.
Or dead in Dumpsters, Leisesturm. Don't forget the babies smothered in garbage bags, thrown out in the snow, tossed into the ocean, or smothered with pillows because their terrified (rich or poor) teenaged parents didn't know what else to do with them.
My niece and her husband have their own two little ones, and they have just adopted 2 black children just recently born.
These are conservative white Christians .
Adoption should be a serious consideration for families that have the discipline to manage children well, however adoption is not always the best idea in families even with their own kids , and do not manage them well.
As for abortion legality, fornication should be a much more seriously dealt with charge, making both parties fully responsible in consensual sex.
Or in the case of rape, lifetime financial debt.
If people insist on being irresponsible, then sterilization should fallow any situation that they are not married, and don't intend to be.
If the mother is in danger, she should be sterilized for her own sake.
The man that got her pregnant should be sterilized because he is a danger to others.
Public funds should not be available for these actions .
As for abortion it's self.
only rarely is it a case of deformation, and even that is not or should not be a blanket issue.
My brother was born without a left hand , He is a a very wonderful person and just retired and ran a business and did all the service work himself , and gave of himself to others often . more than many have done that were born whole.
Or dead in Dumpsters, Leisesturm. Don't forget the babies smothered in garbage bags, thrown out in the snow, tossed into the ocean, or smothered with pillows because their terrified (rich or poor) teenaged parents didn't know what else to do with them.
If people insist on being irresponsible, then sterilization should fallow any situation that they are not married, and don't intend to be.
If the mother is in danger, she should be sterilized for her own sake.
The man that got her pregnant should be sterilized because he is a danger to others. Public funds should not be available for these actions.
Of course not. The financial cost of making America the moral safe haven that hypocrites desire should be obtained from private donors. Is it reasonable to suppose that something a complex as a First World Nuclear Superpower can run itself on charitable donations? Is it? Are there any examples of such a thing anywhere in the world? Instead of taking a knife to the reproductive organs of... fornicators... how about providing them with effective birth control? Condoms are not effective birth control. I'm not certain, its been awhile since I've looked hard at a condom package but... do they say on them "for the prevention of disease only"? In any case, STD prevention is their main strength. For young women, the IUD, implantable hormone pellets or injections are really all that should be considered and public funds should indeed be made available to pay for them. I know women who have gotten pregnant on the pill because they were a couple of hours late taking one of them. A bad cold can make the pill ineffective. Young people have to involve their parents in their sex lives for any kind of birth control protection. This makes hypocrites feel good but it does NOTHING to bring down the numbers of people in need of abortions. I believe men would take a male pill if such a thing was available, and if it didn't kill them! It is nothing short of a conspiracy that pharmaceutical companies are shutting down research labs all over the country in order to focus on bringing their own version of Viagra to market but birth control pills remain the only non-condom birth control option for most.
IMHO - all individuals have the right to control their own bodies. All women are individuals so they have that right. I am not a woman so I do not have a right to tell them what to do with their bodies. Birth control and abortion are legal and must remain so. Women are free people and not slaves of the males that impregnated them.
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