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Old 03-21-2016, 01:06 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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Originally Posted by WeHa View Post
Nope, abortion is and should be legal. It's a private medical decision that a woman has a right to make.

As for the argument that a fetus is a living person, if that's true then take it out of uterus and let it breath and live.

If it can't survive outside my body, it's not really alive.
Frankly, while I'm pro-choice, I find this argument to be unconvincing. After all, would I no longer be alive if my kidneys will give out and I will have to be on dialysis in order to survive?
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Old 03-21-2016, 01:07 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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Abortion should be legal. There are 7 billion people on this planet and we don't need any more unwanted kids on this planet that could end up being murderers, drug addicts, pedophiles, terrorist, etc. Just take a look at Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and Iraq. A typical family there is anywhere from 4-10 kids. How many of them is there a future for?

For all those loud mouths that feel its immoral to abort a fetus why don't you adopt an unwanted kid or two or three? You sure as hell don't want to deal with these unwanted kids but have the nerve to tell a woman what to do with hers?
By that logic, though, why not legalize painless elective infanticide?
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Old 03-21-2016, 01:08 AM
 
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abortion needs to remain legal. don't want one? don't have one. simple. before Roe V Wade women died from back alley and self inflicted abortions. no woman in America should be forced to remain pregnant against her own wishes. nor should she be forced to carry to term, labor, deliver and either raise or give a child up for adoption
Do you shed any tears for the aspiring eunuchs who have seriously injured themselves in "back-alley" surgical castration attempts?
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Old 03-21-2016, 01:09 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Do you shed any tears for the aspiring eunuchs who have seriously injured themselves in "back-alley" surgical castration attempts?
This makes no sense. But yes, theoretically, if a man wanted to be castrated, I would want him to have procedure done in a medical setting by a qualified professional.
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Old 03-21-2016, 01:09 AM
 
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You have a very weird definition of personal responsibility.

I believe very strongly in personal responsibility. Personal responsibility means a woman realizing that she made a mistake (or suffered a tragedy) but that she is not ready or able to be a parent, and therefore paying the consequences and taking responsibility by having an abortion.

Personal responsibility does NOT mean having the baby anyway because of someone ELSE's religion, and then either letting someone ELSE raise it or getting on all kinds of government services to let someone ELSE pay for it. That's abdicating responsibility to someone ELSE.
Having an abortion is only considered to be taking responsibility if one considers abortion to be morally justifiable. Likewise, committing infanticide is only considered to be taking responsibility if one considers infanticide to be morally justifiable.
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Old 03-21-2016, 01:11 AM
 
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This makes no sense. But yes, theoretically, if a man wanted to be castrated, I would want him to have procedure done in a medical setting by a qualified professional.
Actually, it makes perfect sense. After all, some aspiring eunuchs have previously (and unfortunately) been compelled to seek "back-alley" castrations (which can be much more dangerous than safe surgical castrations are) due to the fact that they couldn't get surgically castrated in a safe, medical setting :

Voluntary Genital Ablations: Contrasting the Cutters and Their Clients
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Old 03-21-2016, 01:13 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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Most of the women who have had abortions have no regret about it.

There are currently over 300,000 children in the foster care system and many of those need a permanent, loving forever home. Over 20,000 kid age out of the foster system every year and many of them end up homeless and on the street, using prostitution and selling drugs to support themselves.

Before you talk about how many people want to adopt babies in the US, ask those same people if they're willing to take in an older, a disabled, or a dark-skinned child. Because those are the ones who don't get adopted. All the newborn white babies can find a home. That's why these other children are left over. People don't support abortion, but they're not willing to give these children a home.
If there are so many unwanted children, then why not legalize painless elective infanticide?
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Old 03-21-2016, 01:14 AM
 
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Most often an abortion IS the responsible decision.
Having an abortion is only considered to be taking responsibility if one considers abortion to be morally justifiable. Likewise, committing infanticide is only considered to be taking responsibility if one considers infanticide to be morally justifiable.
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Old 03-21-2016, 01:15 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Actually, it makes perfect sense. After all, some aspiring eunuchs have previously (and unfortunately) been compelled to seek "back-alley" castrations (which can be much more dangerous than safe surgical castrations are) due to the fact that they couldn't get surgically castrated in a safe, medical setting :

Voluntary Genital Ablations: Contrasting the Cutters and Their Clients
Oh, OK. Then the answer to your question is yes. I would shed tears for anyone who is injured or killed in that way. It doesn't seem right to me for voluntary castration to be illegal, but that's another issue for another thread.
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Old 03-21-2016, 01:15 AM
 
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No, it should not be illegal. However, I do feel that if people want to start adding these burdens on would-be mothers and really feel so strongly about what others should do with their lives, then I think those people against abortions should fork over the $37,000+ a pregnancy costs (assuming that mother doesn't have insurance), plus maternity clothes, increased food intake, missed work, etc., and then be forced to take the unwanted baby so that they can raise it.
By that logic, though, should anti-infanticide people likewise be forced to adopt and take care of unwanted infants for 18+ years?
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