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"No. That was not the reason. From slavery through Jim Crow, the black family in the US remained quite intact up until the start of LBJ's Great Society."
This is not true at all, I don't know what history books you've been reading, but black families during slavery were broken up CONSTANTLY - children were separated from their parents and sold to different families. Many slave masters had no interest in preserving the family unit of enslaved black people. When they needed to increase their numbers, some slave masters would pair people up (usually people who didn't even like each other) and try to get them to "breed".
Even mixed-race children who were born from enslaved black women/white slave masters were sold off to a different family, usually to hide the fact the slave master was abusing his slaves. Your comment isn't just a generalization, it's flat out wrong:
"Asians make the nation's highest median family income. But this statistic doesn't tell the whole story. Asian families have a higher percentage of their members employed in the workforce, so their family income is naturally higher. Also, the U.S. Census does not distinguish between Japanese-American citizens and Japanese residents in the U.S. who maintain their Japanese citizenship. Therefore, this figure includes many highly paid Japanese businessmen in the U.S. on extended business. "
Not just that, but a number of immigrants from Asia in the past 20-30 years are more likely to come from a middle class background since they can afford the trip over, for instance a Chinese guy I know was a veterinarian back in Hong Kong. Of course, he has to start over again from a "humble" beginning because he spoke very little English. Poor Asians came to America in the late 1800's/early 1900's looking for work (before the U.S started passing laws like the "Chinese Exclusion Act", but after the Civil Rights movement helped passed the Immigration Act of 1965, more and more middle-class, educated Asians were immigrating to the U.S. So, comparing middle-class Asian immigrants to ALL black Americans of various backgrounds is unfair and it's very EASY to assume that Asians and black people all started from the same point when that was probably true over 100 years ago. Think about, how many poor farmers or McDonald's workers from rich countries like Japan or South Korea come to the U.S. and become middle/upper class citizens in high paying positions? I would say close to ZERO.
The poster from Nigeria makes much more sense, because they stated that the Nigerians that are in the U.S are those that come from more affluent backgrounds whereas a large number of Nigerians back in Nigeria don't even graduate high school. It's easy for people (especially Asian Americans) to believe that East Asians are "more educated and affluent" when most of their immigrants ARE from more educated and affluent backgrounds!
"After 1965, students-turned professionals were able to apply for permanent residence visas in the United States under provisions of the Hart-Cellar Act."
And it makes even more sense when you compare Korean immigrants to Vietnamese immigrants:
"Large-scale Vietnamese migration to the United States started as an influx of refugees following the end of the Vietnam War in 1975. Early refugees were part of a U.S.-sponsored evacuation and consisted mainly of military personnel and urban, well-educated professionals associated with the U.S. military or the South Vietnamese government. In contrast, a second wave of Vietnamese refugees, commonly known as “boat people,” arrived in the late 1970s. The majority of these arrivals came from rural areas and were often less educated."
If anyone reads articles on the myth of the model minority, they will find out that Vietnamese, along with Cambodians (who were also part of the refugees who came to the U.S. during the Vietnam War) and Laotians as well as other Asian groups outside of the East have higher rates of poverty and high school drop out rates.
And Asians in East Asia would show a variety of backgrounds - Almost half of the elderly population in South Korea live below the poverty line with the rate getting worse. Hong Kong has one of the widest income gaps of any developed nation along with around 40% of their residents living in subsidized housing. Japan's childhood poverty is on the rise, with 1 in 6 living in poverty. I don't think that social issues in Asia are irrelevant unless it's a side you prefer people didn't see.
Very informative post and it touches on aspects that people may not know about or overlook.
When I think of the "black community" I don't think of all the people with African blood, I think of neighborhoods in my city that are mostly black.
You are correct to point out that many, if not most, black people don't live in those inner city neighborhoods, but that is, as you point out, what most people think about when they think of bo the "black community".
I very seldom see black people in the environmental groups, or the techie groups, or the civic affairs groups I belong to. That's probably another reason people tend to overlook the middle-class blacks who don't live the mostly-black neighborhoods.
Maybe we need another word to describe the population of African-Americans, rather than just the people who live in a specific neighborhood.
Maybe the fact that you seldom see black people in the groups that you belong is because of where you live. Or maybe they don't feel entirely welcome in the groups (whether the feeling has any basis in fact is up for debate). I know plenty of black people who are in environmental and civic organizations and into techie stuff. It is not the black persons fault that people automatically think that all black people live in 'ghettos' and only do 'stereotypical black things'.
People telling me get out and meet people? I go to a very diverse high school and college. I think I know these people better than you!
Stop, nobody is going to believe you especially when you're quoting theories no one other than neo-Nazis and the KKK adhere to. And if you're in Seattle there's not that many black people there to begin with, less than 8% of that city's population is black meaning whatever school you go to can't be all that "diverse" to begin with. Also, going to a "diverse" school and talking to/interacting with/hanging out with black people are two different things.
That is some mighty twisted circular BS, my friend. Management will always get paid more, regardless of the very long line of the qualified candidates willing to manage for much less, regardless of running companies into the ground, regardless of all the virtues and shortages under the Sun because the laws of human hierarchy demand top monkey to get more bamboo sprouts than the grunt monkeys they manage, all shortages and skills be damned. Please, don't try that slave conditionining on me. I have no inferiority complexes for you to play on. It is definitely not my fault I am born into this master-slave reality, and it is not my fault I take it for what it is, I definitely will not find existential solace in me joining the fleecing class, and I will not blame myself or envy those remarkable folks circular logicians like yourself admire . Honestly, I don't believe human kind is capable of anything better than one master-slave parasitic scheme or another, so relax.
Btw, your circular reasoning can be applied to rationalize just about any socio economic hierarchy in the past and the future. Circular reasoning is the most cost effective social control tool ever, it just never gets old.
Btw#2, Economics 101 you recite is insufficient for understanding this reality precisely because it intentionally ignores coercive, hierarchical nature of societies. Your recitations dont really resemble reality because of that inborn defect.
Circular reasoning is reasoning that goes in a circle. Like "management will always get paid more because people on the top of the hierarchy always get paid more". The items before and after the "because" say the same thing, resulting in a circle. Circular reasoning. Otherwise known as recursive logic.
Deductive reasoning is reasoning deduced linearly from facts, or true premises. Like saying "there is a finite supply of resources and an infinite demand, leading to competition for resources, leading to higher prices charged for scarce resources that are in high demand." There's no circle there. It progresses from fact to conclusion in a linear fashion.
If you would like a more detailed deductive proof, I can provide one, if you can provide evidence that your own line of reasoning is not circular.
I have to warn you that you are getting into a logic debate with someone who studied mathematical logic and deduction extensively at a PhD level. Perhaps you also have, in which case this debate might get entertaining.
Stop, nobody is going to believe you especially when you're quoting theories no one other than neo-Nazis and the KKK adhere to. And if you're in Seattle there's not that many black people there to begin with, less than 8% of that city's population is black meaning whatever school you go to can't be all that "diverse" to begin with. Also, going to a "diverse" school and talking to/interacting with/hanging out with black people are two different things.
If you look at the countries these people come from I think that shows intelligence. Also look at all the places these people are at threw out the world. They are usually generally in the same place social and economically. Explain why to me then MR. Know it all.
I live in south Seattle and went to Evergreen high school and South Seattle Community college for now, look it up on niche if you don't believe me to see the amount of diversity. I've had a friend who lived in Rainer valley, it's the black enclave of Seattle. I spent lots of time with them in that area so keep thinking you know my experiences. Again I get my ideas from somewhere. It couldn't have been what I observed? I think you've been socially conditioned to think we are all the same, race isn't a thing and taboo to see similarities in how people of the same race act, behave, and achieve.
If you look at the countries these people come from I think that shows intelligence. Also look at all the places these people are at threw out the world. They are usually generally in the same place social and economically. Explain why to me then MR. Know it all.
I live in south Seattle and went to Evergreen high school and South Seattle Community college for now, look it up on niche if you don't believe me to see the amount of diversity. I've had a friend who lived in Rainer valley, it's the black enclave of Seattle. I spent lots of time with them in that area so keep thinking you know my experiences. Again I get my ideas from somewhere. It couldn't have been what I observed? I think you've been socially conditioned to think we are all the same, race isn't a thing and taboo to see similarities in how people of the same race act, behave, and achieve.
And what countries do "these people" come from - if I'm not mistaking, we ARE talking about black Americans right? You mean "throughout" the world. Comparing black Americans with black people in Ghana or Brazil or whatever country has a majority black nation is irrelevant. Some of these countries are going through civil wars, some of these countries have far more corrupt officials controlling the nation. Some of these countries are in bigger denial over their race issues than the U.S. (uh that would be Brazil), clearly you never studied much about these countries. Black people didn't arrive in the U.S yesterday, most are descendants of slaves meaning most black families have been here longer than most of the other people who came here which includes European-Americans.
What makes you think I'm a man? I live in NYC so a city where 70% of the population is white (that would be Seattle) is not what I'd call "diverse". Oh you had ONE LONELY little black friend so you know how all 40 million+ act/live in the U.S?
Like I said, STOP and you already stated where you got your ideas from, that Linda woman was outed as an academic racist almost 10 years ago and most of her colleagues had LONG abandon the theories she's clinging on to since those race-based theories were proven wrong. You want to repeat outdated racist theories yet don't want to be branded as a racist, that's not how this works and that's not how life works. Seriously, I can't even believe I'm about to say this, but just because someone listens to rap music doesn't mean they have a low IQ. That's like me saying you have low IQ because you went to a community college.
I've been socially conditioned to see people as what they are - people, and not a list of stereotypes based solely on the color of their skin. I've also been socially conditioned to see people who judge people by their skin color as simpletons.
If you look at the countries these people come from I think that shows intelligence. Also look at all the places these people are at threw out the world. They are usually generally in the same place social and economically. Explain why to me then MR. Know it all.
I live in south Seattle and went to Evergreen high school and South Seattle Community college for now, look it up on niche if you don't believe me to see the amount of diversity. I've had a friend who lived in Rainer valley, it's the black enclave of Seattle. I spent lots of time with them in that area so keep thinking you know my experiences. Again I get my ideas from somewhere. It couldn't have been what I observed? I think you've been socially conditioned to think we are all the same, race isn't a thing and taboo to see similarities in how people of the same race act, behave, and achieve.
I am currently in Africa, and the only people that live in Huts that I have met is my relatives in Ozobo village were My grandmom is from, and even then most of them loves in Houses in the village. Dude I wish I could take you to Abuja, Victoria Island, Lekki, Ikeja and a hundred neighborhoods. Their are a plethora of people with high IQ's in all these places and they are 100% black. The streets are paved their are malls, crime is relatively low in these areas. In fact I have seen more luxury cars in one part of Abuja than I have seen anywhere besides Geneva, Switzerland. Nigeria and Africa is no wonderland but their is plenty of rich people here, millions of them. In Lagos alone their are 1 million people who probably live in a wealthier and nicer area than you. The middle class is still small but it isn't as bad as you think.
On the U.S go to Missouri City or the Best Southwest (Lancaster, Cedar Hill, Duncanville, DeSoto), both areas are 40% black and have a combined population of nearly 300,000. All of these areas are solidly middle class with a few poor and rich neighborhoods. You may experience rap music but that is about the only "stereotypical" thing kids in this area do.
I am currently in Africa, and the only people that live in Huts that I have met is my relatives in Ozobo village were My grandmom is from, and even then most of them loves in Houses in the village. Dude I wish I could take you to Abuja, Victoria Island, Lekki, Ikeja and a hundred neighborhoods. Their are a plethora of people with high IQ's in all these places and they are 100% black. The streets are paved their are malls, crime is relatively low in these areas. In fact I have seen more luxury cars in one part of Abuja than I have seen anywhere besides Geneva, Switzerland. Nigeria and Africa is no wonderland but their is plenty of rich people here, millions of them. In Lagos alone their are 1 million people who probably live in a wealthier and nicer area than you. The middle class is still small but it isn't as bad as you think.
On the U.S go to Missouri City or the Best Southwest (Lancaster, Cedar Hill, Duncanville, DeSoto), both areas are 40% black and have a combined population of nearly 300,000. All of these areas are solidly middle class with a few poor and rich neighborhoods. You may experience rap music but that is about the only "stereotypical" thing kids in this area do.
I don't think that would work out well, seems that too many white people still have it in their heads that something bad would happen to them if they were in a predominantly black neighborhood, never mind a black country heh.
Everything that you say goes against America's stereotypical views regarding Africa in general, "poverty porn" is what sells and does well here.
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