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What does it all have to do with "skills"? Do you have skills and what it takes to clean toilets and pick tomatoes? I doubt that, but you feel compelled to attempt a lame insult on the expense of those people. Again you practice circular logic, where a person earns X amount of $ he must be incredibly skilled and vice versa, when in fact high paying Indians I knew cost their employers tens of thousands $ in broken equipment alone, but as far wring proposal BS and getting funds those were the people to go to. I wish you to see nobody but those highly paid Indian doctors so direct experience could adjust your smug attitude.
Again, all boils down to circular logic 101 where corporations are the ultimate judge of your worth. If so, please explain why super pooper educated, talanted and skilled "performers" generally earn less than non remarkable, run of the mill low to middle level managers of theirs? If there is an "invisible hand" rewarding abstract performance why income correlates with one' place in the pecking order instead?
You clearly have no clue what people with high comp actually do for a living. Particularly middle managers in tech companies.
You clearly have no clue what people with high comp actually do for a living. Particularly middle managers in tech companies.
I'm afraid I do, and they will do about the same things managing feminine hygiene product lines tomorrow. Don't you think that your attempt at meritocratic rationalization getting ridiculous? Low level managers earn more than one of a kind high level grunts therefore they must be skilled etc. beyond grunt' imagination. Really? Do you have something other than circular logic to back that up?
It is pretty darn obvious that one' place in hierarchy defines one' compensation, all the skills, hard work and supplies and demands be damned. Interpreting that fact in terms of meritocratic paradigm leads to some mighty unbelievable if not oxymoronic conclusions.
Going back to minorities . Minoritoes who've figured American pyramid out, minorities who have what it takes to reach sweet fleecing spots do well, minorities whose talents lie elsewhere don't fare nearly as well.
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I am going to say look all around the world. There's are Blacks, Asians, Whites and natives thru out the world. They all are traditionally in the same social scale. Asians are usually fine threw out the world, whites are usually find but there is an okay amount that are lower, blacks are usually always lower as with native Americans in the Americas. I think this is true because of IQ.
Linda Gottfredson is a great woman who has studied this for decades.
Also look at the countries East Asians and whites have been able to make great countries, and contribute greatly to the world.Some people in Africa are still living in hunts, and while most of the world had metal and many other inventions the native Americans weren't very advanced at all.
Look at what you see in your life. I see many blacks that do tribalistic/clannish things. They listen to rap with the stereotypical cars and they keep their tribalistic identity. Whites are all over the spectrum from what I see in my life. Whites are all over the political spectrum, they don't just become rapers or sport players, they can be emo, preppy, etc. whites don't have the clannish/ tribalistic ness I see in blacks. They also always mention their race, in the ocasinonal books they make it has to do about their race! In their movies it's about slavery or their race! All the ones I know brought race up a lot too!
So my conclusion is these races are usually in the same GENERAL spots in economic and social class threw out the world, whites and East Asians have been able to develope their countries into great things, and use your expirences and what you see. I see blacks as being very tribalistic/clannish GENERALLY. My psychology teacher told me that is a sign of not being intelligent... Different breed of dogs are smarter so why would different breeds of humans not be? Don't forget we are animals.
My oppinions seem to follow a common concensus. Blacks average IQ is average 85 for American black and would have a good amount of people below and above that percentile. African black from Africa is 70. There is a higher IQ in American blacks due to them having lots of white ancestry from slave owners and bi racial dating. Their average IQ is also the cutoff for the military. White people have an average IQ of 100. The whites are like the blacks being that there are 50/50 of people on either side of the 100 IQ. Asians are where it gets weird. Asians have an average IQ of 105 but it is really rare they will be anything different than that IQ. So whites have more geniuses.... And stupid people... While Asians are all close to the 105 IQ. Ashkenazi Jews although white have an average IQ of 110.
They have done studies with twins of same race, then separated them to different families in different social economic statuses and they usually have the same IQ only 3ish point difference. Blacks even in wealthy families are more likely to go to jail then their white and Asian counterparts. Race and IQ is a real thing along with other genetic differences. We are not all the same, races are real, and sadly we are not all smart. I think this should really be addressed more how can we have a society where we aren't all equal?
BTW I'm not racist cause I have facts. And I still enjoy all people!
Btw the woman above named Linda use to work for the government and now she works for the university of Delaware. Here's a great interview with her. I believe her because of what I see and because I refuse to believe the government or what the liberals with the agenda say. Btw I have no idea if she is liberal or not but I think she is... Expect for on race and IQ...
I am going to say look all around the world. There's are Blacks, Asians, Whites and natives thru out the world. They all are traditionally in the same social scale. Asians are usually fine threw out the world, whites are usually find but there is an okay amount that are lower, blacks are usually always lower as with native Americans in the Americas. I think this is true because of IQ.
Linda Gottfredson is a great woman who has studied this for decades.
Also look at the countries East Asians and whites have been able to make great countries, and contribute greatly to the world.Some people in Africa are still living in hunts, and while most of the world had metal and many other inventions the native Americans weren't very advanced at all.
Look at what you see in your life. I see many blacks that do tribalistic/clannish things. They listen to rap with the stereotypical cars and they keep their tribalistic identity. Whites are all over the spectrum from what I see in my life. Whites are all over the political spectrum, they don't just become rapers or sport players, they can be emo, preppy, etc. whites don't have the clannish/ tribalistic ness I see in blacks. They also always mention their race, in the ocasinonal books they make it has to do about their race! snipped
Speaking of "succcess" and contributions, some traditional cultures still permeated with belief that it is an awful abomination to benefit of others misfortunes by means of usury, or playing with prices in response to misery induced demand, some cultures even frown on "added value". Those are the key elements of civilization and "advances", to get civilization going, one must get inequality going, to get inequality going one must allow parasitic relationships wrapped in this or that rationalization. These throwback cutures are fair prey for less squimmish ethnic groups, such as Indians from India in Africa, who dominate trade, industry, banking and ultimately gains power. There is a very easy "cultural" test for this ancient tabu. Pick a country, figure its ethnic majority, if ethnic majority in that country is grotesquely underrepresented in high end business, banking administration, and politics, there must be some cultural leftovers of the ancient tabus still alive there, btw it is not just Africa or non whites for that matter.
Originally Posted by AnywhereElse Flying the flag of the country you have left, refusing to learn the language, demanding benefits meant only for legal residents/citizens while having entered the country without authorization, these people are trying to colonize our country.
I guess what I don't understand is if you're one of these people why would you go someplace for the opportunities of that place and then change it back to what you were trying to get away from in the first place.
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Exactly! When my grandparents came to this country from Italy, they demanded their children learn English. They were proud to become Americans; they didn't fly the Italian flag and they didn't expect special treatment. Our country spoke English and we didn't have signs in other languages to accommodate the newcomers.
It's one thing to keep some of your country's traditions, it's quite another to expect your new country to become your old country only in a different place.
Originally Posted by AnywhereElse Flying the flag of the country you have left, refusing to learn the language, demanding benefits meant only for legal residents/citizens while having entered the country without authorization, these people are trying to colonize our country.
I guess what I don't understand is if you're one of these people why would you go someplace for the opportunities of that place and then change it back to what you were trying to get away from in the first place.
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Exactly! When my grandparents came to this country from Italy, they demanded their children learn English. They were proud to become Americans; they didn't fly the Italian flag and they didn't expect special treatment. Our country spoke English and we didn't have signs in other languages to accommodate the newcomers.
It's one thing to keep some of your country's traditions, it's quite another to expect your new country to become your old country only in a different place.
Well, Mexicans are not like Italians, they've settled in LA area before Anglos did, so it's kinda futile to preach law, order and English Language to them considering all that history. Ultimately, there will be a violent confrontation or crack down, USA is held together by smoothly functioning (compared to other countries) economy and little else, once it falters in some major way you go preach law and non violence to Mexicans who will direct you to the violent history of the issue. At the end, might defines rights and spoken languages. Does white (or sorta white) America have what it takes to dominate and impose their ideas and languages on minorities, some of which can and will try to wrestle more power (or more) during uncertain times? In the olden days of the Great Depression administration of that liberal fluffball FDR just mass deported unwanted Mexican labor. Times are different, and if anything like Great Depression strikes again, you may emphasize importance of Spanish to your grandkids.
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Well, Mexicans are not like Italians, they've settled in LA area before Anglos did, so it's kinda futile to preach law, order and English Language to them considering all that history. Ultimately, there will be a violent confrontation or crack down, USA is held together by smoothly functioning (compared to other countries) economy and little else, once it falters in some major way you go preach law and non violence to Mexicans who will direct you to the violent history of the issue. At the end, might defines rights and spoken languages. Does white (or sorta white) America have what it takes to dominate and impose their ideas and languages on minorities, some of which can and will try to wrestle more power (or more) during uncertain times? In the olden days of the Great Depression administration of that liberal fluffball FDR just mass deported unwanted Mexican labor. Times are different, and if anything like Great Depression strikes again, you may emphasize importance of Spanish to your grandkids.
Amazingly, the Mexicans I know are kind, generous, have an extremely good work ethic, and more moral than many non-Mexicans I know. Maybe you and I hang in a different crowd.
Or maybe I actually KNOW Mexican's or Mexican immigrants. I don't even speak Spanish or anything resembling Spanglish, so isn't it amazing that my Mexican friends and I can have intellectual conversations that go way beyond, "where is the bathroom"?
I am going to say look all around the world. There's are Blacks, Asians, Whites and natives thru out the world. They all are traditionally in the same social scale. Asians are usually fine threw out the world, whites are usually find but there is an okay amount that are lower, blacks are usually always lower as with native Americans in the Americas. I think this is true because of IQ.
Linda Gottfredson is a great woman who has studied this for decades.
Also look at the countries East Asians and whites have been able to make great countries, and contribute greatly to the world.Some people in Africa are still living in hunts, and while most of the world had metal and many other inventions the native Americans weren't very advanced at all.
Look at what you see in your life. I see many blacks that do tribalistic/clannish things. They listen to rap with the stereotypical cars and they keep their tribalistic identity. Whites are all over the spectrum from what I see in my life. Whites are all over the political spectrum, they don't just become rapers or sport players, they can be emo, preppy, etc. whites don't have the clannish/ tribalistic ness I see in blacks. They also always mention their race, in the ocasinonal books they make it has to do about their race! In their movies it's about slavery or their race! All the ones I know brought race up a lot too!
So my conclusion is these races are usually in the same GENERAL spots in economic and social class threw out the world, whites and East Asians have been able to develope their countries into great things, and use your expirences and what you see. I see blacks as being very tribalistic/clannish GENERALLY. My psychology teacher told me that is a sign of not being intelligent... Different breed of dogs are smarter so why would different breeds of humans not be? Don't forget we are animals.
My oppinions seem to follow a common concensus. Blacks average IQ is average 85 for American black and would have a good amount of people below and above that percentile. African black from Africa is 70. There is a higher IQ in American blacks due to them having lots of white ancestry from slave owners and bi racial dating. Their average IQ is also the cutoff for the military. White people have an average IQ of 100. The whites are like the blacks being that there are 50/50 of people on either side of the 100 IQ. Asians are where it gets weird. Asians have an average IQ of 105 but it is really rare they will be anything different than that IQ. So whites have more geniuses.... And stupid people... While Asians are all close to the 105 IQ. Ashkenazi Jews although white have an average IQ of 110.
They have done studies with twins of same race, then separated them to different families in different social economic statuses and they usually have the same IQ only 3ish point difference. Blacks even in wealthy families are more likely to go to jail then their white and Asian counterparts. Race and IQ is a real thing along with other genetic differences. We are not all the same, races are real, and sadly we are not all smart. I think this should really be addressed more how can we have a society where we aren't all equal?
BTW I'm not racist cause I have facts. And I still enjoy all people!
Btw the woman above named Linda use to work for the government and now she works for the university of Delaware. Here's a great interview with her. I believe her because of what I see and because I refuse to believe the government or what the liberals with the agenda say. Btw I have no idea if she is liberal or not but I think she is... Expect for on race and IQ...
I think you meant to post this on Stormfront, I mean "tribalistic"? Seriously? You're complaining about black people listening to rap and driving "stereotypical" cars? What is a stereotypical car a black person drives? You sound like you have an unhealthy fixation and fear regarding black people and that should scare any black person that has to come in contact with you.
Racist white people (yeah, throwing in the "btw I'm not racist" doesn't make you any less of a racist) suffer from SEVERE superiority complex especially when they quote/rely on the works of academic racists and outdated theories to prove their "superiority" and it's so sad/pathetic seeing it on display
The hilarious thing is people like you are always dragging Asian people into the discussion when most don't even brag about their IQ. I've heard plenty of Asian people who talk about how their parents wouldn't/didn't want them to hang out with certain people because they assumed "they didn't study enough"
"Although the new cram school was much more competitive, and everyone could see how well you did on the mock examinations by looking at a board with all the student's names on it, I honestly didn't dislike the school." - and students would shame/embarrass each other over poor test grades and I'm sure writing down peoples names beside the test score secretly encouraged that behavior to push them to do better.
and:
"As for special events, both KUMON and the cram school I attended during junior high school had a "New Year's Eve All-Night Studying Event" (toshikoshi-testuya-benkyoukai 年越し徹夜勉強会としこしてつやべんきょうかい). The teachers encouraged us not to fall asleep and to keep studying until morning. There were even a few games to help stimulate and relax students as well. It was a lot of fun to stay up late with my friends, but everyone reaches a wall and you would get sleepy at some point and find it nearly impossible to keep studying. Granted, it wasn't an effective way to study at all, but it did teach us some discipline."
Majority of Asians/Asian-Americans don't believe they're "naturally" intelligent, they clearly mention and emphasize studying. Nobody in their right mind believes that students of Asian descent in the U.S and students in Japan and South Korea are getting top scores simply because they're "genetically gifted/superior", only a simpleton would believe that.
And it's not just Asians, African immigrants too that I've met/befriended put more emphasis on studying and schools - maybe because they know certain parts of Africa have little/NO educational opportunities, pretty much all of my friends from Africa have advanced degrees and working as professionals in NYC.
There is a strong correlation between educational attainment level and lifetime earnings in America.
Correlation is not causation.
Traditionally, higher education was only available to those from already well-to-do families. As the reach of higher ed spread down into the working class, as a result of the GI Bill after WWII, it became a pathway to success for the middle-class, who already had a work ethic and some family support.
We see a lot of problems today from assuming that the degree is the foundation, rather than a marker, of success.
If you are not from a middle or professional class, just having the degree will, indeed, improve your odds of achieving a good life, but that advantage is strongly negated by starting out with a massive debt.
Amazingly, the Mexicans I know are kind, generous, have an extremely good work ethic, and more moral than many non-Mexicans I know. Maybe you and I hang in a different crowd.
Or maybe I actually KNOW Mexican's or Mexican immigrants. I don't even speak Spanish or anything resembling Spanglish, so isn't it amazing that my Mexican friends and I can have intellectual conversations that go way beyond, "where is the bathroom"?
What does it have to do with anything? There are latino ghettoes, there are areas where English is a minority language. Geez, there are national businesses where spoken Spanish dominates both shop floor and the office. But that was not my point, tough times magnify even minor differences to cosmic proportions, the magnified differences are used to deny "less fit" groups this or that. That's what whites did in the American past, but there is nothing "white" about the idea, it's pretty much universal. When crap will hit the fan whose group will your cultured latino friends join? Will they have a reasonable/non suicidal choice when the mobs will be running brown (or light) skinned people out? USA is held together by nothing except its economy, once it falters some nasty things occur. In the past the whites had the numbers and the stamina to dispense those nasty things among the non whites (although white on white "ethnic" discrimination was widespread too). Times are different, and you have no slightest clue what your cultured latino friends would do under those extreme conditions. Well, you have no clue about your actions, allegiances and attitudes either.
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