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Old 03-28-2018, 10:46 AM
 
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We've discussed it.

Even our local sheriff refuses to allow his officers to carry Narcan
So, when a child gets into grandma's pain medication, they can just die, while the sheriff stands by helplessly.

Give that sheriff an humanitarian award!
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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What exactly are these issues that wasn't a problem before hand?
Drawing transients from other states who are just here for the drugs and have no plan for how they are going to otherwise live. They come with no assets and no means of making a living, pan-handling during the day and sleeping in doorways or homeless camps along the river because the shelters are full. They "bathe" in the library bathrooms, doze in the chairs, and, when awake, camp out at the public computer stations. And the odor is often breathtaking! The numbers overwhelm our social services. Sometimes, transients make their way to the foothills, camp on private property, and set off wildfires because they don't understand the risks. If you'd like to come out for a visit, you can experience it for yourself. It's not pretty.

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Old 03-28-2018, 11:04 AM
 
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Drawing transients from other states who are just here for the drugs and have no plan for how they are going to otherwise live. They come with no assets and no means of making a living, pan-handling during the day and sleeping in doorways or homeless camps along the river because the shelters are full. They "bathe" in the library bathrooms, doze in the chairs, and, when awake, camp out at the public computer stations. And the odor is often breathtaking! The numbers overwhelm our social services. Sometimes, transients make their way to the foothills, camp on private property, and set off wildfires because they don't understand the risks. If you'd like to come out for a visit, you can experience it for yourself. It's not pretty.
Well the answer is obvious. Legalize Marijuana nationwide. The gears are already turning:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomange.../#1d80d408581a
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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Well the answer is obvious. Legalize Marijuana nationwide. The gears are already turning:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomange.../#1d80d408581a
It's not going to happen. At best, you'll get some more progressive states to join in and legalize, but the whole country is not going to jump on board, meaning drug-seeking transients are not going anywhere nor are the problems they bring with them.
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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Drawing transients from other states who are just here for the drugs and have no plan for how they are going to otherwise live. They come with no assets and no means of making a living, ending up on the street and pan-handling during the day and sleeping in doorways at night because the shelters are full. They bathe in the library bathrooms, doze in the chairs, and, when awake, camp out at the public computer stations. And the odor is often breathtaking! The numbers overwhelm our social services. Sometimes, transients make their way to the foothills, camp on private property, and set off wildfires because they don't understand the risks. If you'd like to come out for a visit, you can experience it for yourself. It's not pretty.
There's no proof the overall rise in homelessness is due to legal marijuana. Denver's rise in homelesness mirrors a nationwide uptick in homelessness. There do seem to be many young people who think they can work in the industry so they end up in Colorado without a plan. As more states become legal, people will start to spread out. Many will likely move on to CA now. The weather is better and we already have huge numbers of homeless youth and that was the case long before marijuana became legal. Drifters tend to head west, that's just what happens.
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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It's not going to happen. At best, you'll get some more progressive states to join in and legalize, but the whole country is not going to jump on board, meaning drug-seeking transients are not going anywhere nor are the problems they bring with them.
The so-called drug seeking transients, or (marijuana-seeking) are only doing so because it isn't legal in their states. If it was then they would stay and smoke weed where they are. What's your solution? Criminalize it and lock all non-violent drug offenders?
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:22 AM
 
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The so-called drug seeking transients, or (marijuana-seeking) are only doing so because it isn't legal in their states. If it was then they would stay and smoke weed where they are. What's your solution? Criminalize it and lock all non-violent drug offenders?
My solution would have been not to legalize in the first place to prevent my state from becoming a target for marijuana-seeking transients, but the horse is already out of the barn, so to speak, so there's no going back now. it was legalizing in isolation that got us into this trouble. That was a huge mistake.
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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My solution would have been not to legalize in the first place to prevent my state from becoming a target for marijuana-seeking transients, but the horse is already out of the barn, so to speak, so there's no going back now. it was legalizing in isolation that got us into this trouble. That was a huge mistake.
Along with Washington your state was ground zero but it is going to happen and it had to start somewhere.

Marijuana Statistics in 2017: 55 Million Americans Admit Use
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Old 03-28-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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The so-called drug seeking transients, or (marijuana-seeking) are only doing so because it isn't legal in their states. If it was then they would stay and smoke weed where they are. What's your solution? Criminalize it and lock all non-violent drug offenders?
Weed is not difficult to get anywhere, it's all over the suburbs nationwide. Even soccer moms smoke these days. I don't think people actually come out to have legal weed. They come because they think Denver sounds like a cool place, they want to get out of their "backwards" towns and many hope they can work in the industry.
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Old 03-28-2018, 12:09 PM
 
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It's not a simple problem. Most of the wasted money comes from not understanding why people do what they do. It all comes down to vilifying the poor. And going all the way back to the original 'War on Drugs', the issue was used as a political football aimed at creating a climate of fear. Fear of the poor and anyone who didn't look like you.

Rich people get a lot of satisfaction from fat paychecks and counting their money in the Cayman Islands. If they need a break, they take a vacation to some tropical paradise. All their medical and dental needs are met and they never have to exist in pain. They don't have to listen to a crying baby 24/7. The nanny takes care of it. Whatever they even think they want, they buy. Not too likely they will ever become addicted, they might do a few recreational drugs. If these folks should have an issue, it's right off to rehab. Because they can pay for it. No one ever has to know they had a problem.

Poor people live with the pain they can't afford to fix. They work at jobs that pay enough to keep them in poverty. They can't afford what they need or want. They work hard, maybe even harder/more than the rich but they can never get ahead. No one takes care of the baby for them. No vacations are within their means. So why does it surprise us when these people save their pennies for a hit of something/anything that will let them escape for a little while? Even a cigarette gives them a 5 minute 'break'. And yes, these are the folks that become addicted. And they do not have the money for rehab.

Money makes the world go round. Always follow the money.
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