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People do not feel that their teenaged children who got hooked are 'worthless junkies' and they are sorely missed.
Sorry, jen, but that's like a parent thinking his son should be President of the United States. Parents cannot think objectively about their children. For them, their children are saints regardless of what behaviors they engage in. But to an outsider who sees a kid dead in the street OD'ed with a needle sticking out of his vein it's rational to conclude the kid got there because he was a fool playing around with things he shouldn't have been playing with. Further it's reckless and irresponsible behavior like this that creates a gigantic problem for the legitimate pain patients in need of those exact same drugs that killed the kid that makes their lives worth living. That's the irony of it all: what killed the kid saves the lives of countless others. Sorry again, but if that's the kind of reckless behavior a kid chooses to engage in then he's a worthless junkie who doesn't contribute a thing to society except expensive 911 and ER bills.
Sorry, jen, but that's like a parent thinking his son should be President of the United States. Parents cannot think objectively about their children. For them, their children are saints regardless of what behaviors they engage in. But to an outsider who sees a kid dead in the street OD'ed with a needle sticking out of his vein it's rational to conclude the kid got there because he was a fool playing around with things he shouldn't have been playing with. Further it's reckless and irresponsible behavior like this that creates a gigantic problem for the legitimate pain patients in need of those exact same drugs that killed the kid that makes their lives worth living. That's the irony of it all: what killed the kid saves the lives of countless others. Sorry again, but if that's the kind of reckless behavior a kid chooses to engage in then he's a worthless junkie who doesn't contribute a thing to society except expensive 911 and ER bills.
No it's like a parent thinking their child is not worthless and is worthy of grieving when their life ends in tragedy. Junkies are not worthless people but yes sometimes they are too far gone to save and it can become a waste of resources to continue trying to save them.
Sorry, jen, but that's like a parent thinking his son should be President of the United States. Parents cannot think objectively about their children. For them, their children are saints regardless of what behaviors they engage in. But to an outsider who sees a kid dead in the street OD'ed with a needle sticking out of his vein it's rational to conclude the kid got there because he was a fool playing around with things he shouldn't have been playing with. Further it's reckless and irresponsible behavior like this that creates a gigantic problem for the legitimate pain patients in need of those exact same drugs that killed the kid that makes their lives worth living. That's the irony of it all: what killed the kid saves the lives of countless others. Sorry again, but if that's the kind of reckless behavior a kid chooses to engage in then he's a worthless junkie who doesn't contribute a thing to society except expensive 911 and ER bills.
You're forgetting how this started for so many. Gobs and gobs of oxy for getting wisdom teeth out or other injuries that didn't require such.
Sorry, jen, but that's like a parent thinking his son should be President of the United States. Parents cannot think objectively about their children. For them, their children are saints regardless of what behaviors they engage in. But to an outsider who sees a kid dead in the street OD'ed with a needle sticking out of his vein it's rational to conclude the kid got there because he was a fool playing around with things he shouldn't have been playing with. Further it's reckless and irresponsible behavior like this that creates a gigantic problem for the legitimate pain patients in need of those exact same drugs that killed the kid that makes their lives worth living. That's the irony of it all: what killed the kid saves the lives of countless others. Sorry again, but if that's the kind of reckless behavior a kid chooses to engage in then he's a worthless junkie who doesn't contribute a thing to society except expensive 911 and ER bills.
This is exactly what Perdue pharma wants you to think. That it's the fault of the 'worthless junkies'. in fact they had company meetings telling employees to hammer than home. The fault lies with PERDUE. They said flat out the goal was to blanket the country in scripts. They set out to addict as many people as possible for profit.
You're forgetting how this started for so many. Gobs and gobs of oxy for getting wisdom teeth out or other injuries that didn't require such.
OK, then stop prescribing them for small things like that. But there’s no reason to go to this extreme and make them so difficult to get that people in terrible pain can’t have them.
This is exactly what Perdue pharma wants you to think. That it's the fault of the 'worthless junkies'. in fact they had company meetings telling employees to hammer than home. The fault lies with PERDUE. They said flat out the goal was to blanket the country in scripts. They set out to addict as many people as possible for profit.
They did addict a whole bunch. Folks have been on them for decades. Considering they were only meant for short term.
OK, then stop prescribing them for small things like that. But there’s no reason to go to this extreme and make them so difficult to get that people in terrible pain can’t have them.
I agree with you but where the blame is is on perdue. They set out to addict as many people as possible to make billions of dollars, and that is why we are where we are now.
They knew EXACTLY what they were doing. They KNEW that addicting people was the path to riches. They knew people would get hooked and then Dr. shop and go to pill mills and all the rest.
Scum, scum, scum. And then they got a patent to treat addiction with more drugs, after decades of saying theirs weren't addictive.
DEA is not going after oncologist or hospice providers. If the provider is saying that, he or she is using that as an excuse. A pharmacist does look at the specialty of the provider. There is a lot more flexibility with those types of specialists. The average problem provider is a PCP who styles himself as a pain specialist.
By definition, a controlled substance is addicting.
Sorry, jen, but that's like a parent thinking his son should be President of the United States. Parents cannot think objectively about their children. For them, their children are saints regardless of what behaviors they engage in. But to an outsider who sees a kid dead in the street OD'ed with a needle sticking out of his vein it's rational to conclude the kid got there because he was a fool playing around with things he shouldn't have been playing with. Further it's reckless and irresponsible behavior like this that creates a gigantic problem for the legitimate pain patients in need of those exact same drugs that killed the kid that makes their lives worth living. That's the irony of it all: what killed the kid saves the lives of countless others. Sorry again, but if that's the kind of reckless behavior a kid chooses to engage in then he's a worthless junkie who doesn't contribute a thing to society except expensive 911 and ER bills.
There's an HBO show you should watch, Warning, This Drug May Kill You, where one of the people they follow became addicted to opioids as a teen, when she was prescribed Oxycontin for chronic kidney stones. She didn't choose to become an addict, it happened because she followed her doctor's instructions, then spiraled out of control.
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OK, then stop prescribing them for small things like that. But there’s no reason to go to this extreme and make them so difficult to get that people in terrible pain can’t have them.
That would require critical thinking skills, but it is much easier to go the other way and just stop making them available.
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Originally Posted by genesiss23
DEA is not going after oncologist or hospice providers. If the provider is saying that, he or she is using that as an excuse. A pharmacist does look at the specialty of the provider. There is a lot more flexibility with those types of specialists. The average problem provider is a PCP who styles himself as a pain specialist.
By definition, a controlled substance is addicting.
No, a controlled substance is one that is subject to abuse or has no medical value. Not all controlled substances are addictive.
I agree with you but where the blame is is on perdue. They set out to addict as many people as possible to make billions of dollars, and that is why we are where we are now.
They knew EXACTLY what they were doing. They KNEW that addicting people was the path to riches. They knew people would get hooked and then Dr. shop and go to pill mills and all the rest.
Scum, scum, scum. And then they got a patent to treat addiction with more drugs, after decades of saying theirs weren't addictive.
They may be to blame for causing it but the government is to blame for swinging too far to the other extreme. Their actions are still costing people their lives but this time it’s legitimate pain patients’ lives. A solution that simply trades one life for another is no solution.
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