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Old 06-15-2009, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Oviedo, Fl formerly from the Philly Burbs!
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You two need to take it elsewhere...ya know...getting us way off topic...
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Old 06-15-2009, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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No, actually, it is on topic. RV says a nation is, by definition, a nation of thieves, it if does not have a code of laws that conforms exactly with his belief in a creator. I, in turn, debunked the legitimacy of the link between that belief and the fabric of our society, urging us to go elsewhere in our quest for an explanation of why we are a nation of thieves.
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Old 06-16-2009, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Oviedo, Fl formerly from the Philly Burbs!
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No, actually, it is on topic. RV says a nation is, by definition, a nation of thieves, it if does not have a code of laws that conforms exactly with his belief in a creator. I, in turn, debunked the legitimacy of the link between that belief and the fabric of our society, urging us to go elsewhere in our quest for an explanation of why we are a nation of thieves.
LOL...OK...carry on then!
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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"When righteous people suffer and wicked people flourish, we begin to ask why."
---Susan Neiman
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Old 06-17-2009, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Oviedo, Fl formerly from the Philly Burbs!
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"When righteous people suffer and wicked people flourish, we begin to ask why."
---Susan Neiman
I am flourishing and consider myself a far far cry from wicked. I am , however a God fearing, hard working, conservative, who lives out my beliefs to the best of my abilities on a daily basis.

So, we may ask why, buy you/me/we may not always like the anwers....
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Old 06-17-2009, 12:35 PM
 
Location: southern california
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2 things.
we dont do punishment
we dont do parenting.
other than that we are just fine.
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Old 06-17-2009, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I am flourishing and consider myself a far far cry from wicked. I am , however a God fearing, hard working, conservative, who lives out my beliefs to the best of my abilities on a daily basis.

So, we may ask why, buy you/me/we may not always like the anwers....
I just double checked, and no, I did not inadvertently slip the word "all" into that quote. So you must have misread it.
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Old 06-17-2009, 02:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Huh? We have the richest poor people in the world.
Measured by standards of 50 years ago we have no
poverty at all today in America.
We also have a good portion of the rest of the World's poor too, we don't know who they are and they came uninvited. What do you do if you need a basic thing like food but have none? You steal it.
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:26 PM
 
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I would say that when this cpountry has gotten to a point that 50% pay no income tax and 69% get more serfices from governamnt than they pay ;thigns are getting too centralised.Too many p[eople are addicted to or can't survie without governamtn provided entitlements and the control they have over thier lives.Its like a ball and chain around their and their chidrens necks they don't feel.
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Old 06-17-2009, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I would say that when this cpountry has gotten to a point that 50% pay no income tax and 69% get more serfices from governamnt than they pay ;thigns are getting too centralised.Too many p[eople are addicted to or can't survie without governamtn provided entitlements and the control they have over thier lives.Its like a ball and chain around their and their chidrens necks they don't feel.
That statistic has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue you extracted from it. Let me paint you a picture. 50% of the population lives in poverty, with barely enough to live on. One percent has almost all of the money, and pays no taxes because it's all in Cayman Island banks. The remaining 49% pays all the income taxes, because they make over $200 a day. See, it has nothing to do with those nasty imaginary entitlement monsters that you look for under your bed every night before you go to sleep. About 20% of all earners are retirees, who barely squeak by on their tax-free benefits. Another 20% is occasional workers (such as students) who have to file to get back the interest-free loan that the government helped itself to at gunpoint as withholding tax. The rest of them are young minimum-wage families, whose personal exemptions exceeded their income. NONE of them are well-off wage earners who have figured out how to make you pay their taxes for them. Except those with Cayman Island Bank accounts, so if you want to look under your bed for goblins tonight, see if you see any Cayman Island bank books under there. And stop blaming it on single moms.
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