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Anybody from Ill. scared yet? Personally It doesn't matter a great deal to me if ccw is ever legal in Ill. because IF I am traveling into a trouble area, I will carry irregardless of the states "scaredycat" stance on ccw and ownership status! Let the flaming commence, so sorry, but it matters not if the state wants to hide behind it's sissy governor, I refuse to be anyone's target just because the state prefers to be the last on the list.
I think illinois is counting on all the "righteous" law abiding citizens to police each other, but the criminal element in this state is loving it here because they have little to fear from people on the street!
No little old ladies or soccer moms packing here! So guys if you think for yourselves and don't follow the politically correct, make sure your "friend" is squeaky clean in case you ever have to part company with it!
Yes I'm law abiding and registered, but I'm no one's puppet...
I think illinois is counting on all the "righteous" law abiding citizens to police each other, but the criminal element in this state is loving it here because they have little to fear from people on the street!
Which is working out so well in Rahm Emmanuel's Chicgao right now. I believe this latest wave of crime is one of the worst since the Al Capone era. It is so bad that the mayor recently went public with an appeal to the thugs to basically live by your values and don't shoot children." Somebody needs to sit down with Mayor Emmanuel and have the "honor among thieves" discussion. Of course, he's another lifelong government type, so this concept is one to which he is probably numb.
Anybody from Ill. scared yet? Personally It doesn't matter a great deal to me if ccw is ever legal in Ill. because IF I am traveling into a trouble area, I will carry irregardless of the states "scaredycat" stance on ccw and ownership status! Let the flaming commence, so sorry, but it matters not if the state wants to hide behind it's sissy governor, I refuse to be anyone's target just because the state prefers to be the last on the list.
I think illinois is counting on all the "righteous" law abiding citizens to police each other, but the criminal element in this state is loving it here because they have little to fear from people on the street!
No little old ladies or soccer moms packing here! So guys if you think for yourselves and don't follow the politically correct, make sure your "friend" is squeaky clean in case you ever have to part company with it!
Yes I'm law abiding and registered, but I'm no one's puppet...
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No flaming here; I just repped you. I'm originally from Illinois and carried in
Chicago because my work often took me to bad areas. Just be discreet and tell no one. How would anyone know? Cops actually told me that I should carry a gun. Good fortune to you and if you ever want to move to a free state you'll be welcome in Wyoming. You can have an Automag bulging in your pocket and no cop will ever ask you about any stinking government permission slip.
What is it about Missouri? My brothers FIL is from LOTO and will not buy a gun from a dealer because the black helicopters will monitor that micro chip the will put in his head if he runs the ATF form. LOL Jesus, paranoid much? If the government ever turns bad I think they are going to be more concerned with things bigger than if billy bob had a 38.
Paranoid, no. Healthy dose of skepticism, absolutely. But then, I'm not the OP and I had an out of state CCW so I could carry when outside of my home state long before MO passed its law allowing it.
I take it at your word that despite your anonymity that you are what you say you are, a law-abiding citizen without any felony convictions. But then as my wife continually reminds me, I am generally a trusting person.
But my wife on the other hand would say that she doesn't know you from Adam and that by law and conscience she can't abide non-law-abiding felonious citizens acquiring firearms, she frankly wouldn't care how hufffed up and insulted you got.
So to keep you from being insulted and my wife from insulting you, what would you consider to be a reasonable and sane method of identifying who is a felon not allowed to possess a firearm and a find upstanding citizen such as yourself?
By the way, what is your position of Voter ID laws?
In some states, speeding more than a certain amount over the posted speed limit is a felony. Are you telling me a "speeder" should not be allowed to purchase firearms?
In some states, speeding more than a certain amount over the posted speed limit is a felony. Are you telling me a "speeder" should not be allowed to purchase firearms?
Does that mean that you are in favor of "everybody" being able to purchase a firearm and that there is no need for identification to make sure you are not a felon?
I see no harm in identifying oneself and an instant check being done to make sure I am not a felon. We have to draw the line somewhere or there is no "Law abiding Citizen". What does that term mean anymore?
Yes, every one of us have broken the lawn in one regard or another. We might have coasted through a stop light, we might have went 10 over on the highway, but you don't get a felony for 10 over.
In my state, should you have a felony, you can appeal your gun rights through the state. If your felony was not a violent felony, use of a gun, an assault, or anything dealing with a domestic dispute, you stand a good chance of getting your gun rights back.
I am a law abiding citizen as I have had no felony conviction, nor have I had a conviction of any kind of domestic dispute.
Yes, every one of us have broken the lawn in one regard or another. We might have coasted through a stop light, we might have went 10 over on the highway, but you don't get a felony for 10 over.
In Virginia you can. Driving 80 on a freeway posted at 70 is a felony.
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Does that mean that you are in favor of "everybody" being able to purchase a firearm and that there is no need for identification to make sure you are not a felon?
I see no harm in identifying oneself and an instant check being done to make sure I am not a felon. We have to draw the line somewhere or there is no "Law abiding Citizen". What does that term mean anymore?
Yes, every one of us have broken the lawn in one regard or another. We might have coasted through a stop light, we might have went 10 over on the highway, but you don't get a felony for 10 over.
In my state, should you have a felony, you can appeal your gun rights through the state. If your felony was not a violent felony, use of a gun, an assault, or anything dealing with a domestic dispute, you stand a good chance of getting your gun rights back.
I am a law abiding citizen as I have had no felony conviction, nor have I had a conviction of any kind of domestic dispute.
Does that mean that you are in favor of "everybody" being able to purchase a firearm and that there is no need for identification to make sure you are not a felon?
I see no harm in identifying oneself and an instant check being done to make sure I am not a felon. We have to draw the line somewhere or there is no "Law abiding Citizen". What does that term mean anymore?
Yes, every one of us have broken the lawn in one regard or another. We might have coasted through a stop light, we might have went 10 over on the highway, but you don't get a felony for 10 over.
In my state, should you have a felony, you can appeal your gun rights through the state. If your felony was not a violent felony, use of a gun, an assault, or anything dealing with a domestic dispute, you stand a good chance of getting your gun rights back.
I am a law abiding citizen as I have had no felony conviction, nor have I had a conviction of any kind of domestic dispute.
Unless someone considers the Second Amendment to be an inferior amendment describing an inferior and removable right which it does not everyone has the right to keep and bear arms. Prior to the passase of the Gun Control Act people bought guns in most states without needing to identify themselves. Felons owned guns without problems in most states.. Not that it matters in terms of rights but it's interesting to note that there was less violent crime when there were no prohibited classes. Too many people today are concerned with impressing others by bragging how they impressed the police. I bet they really giggle when they think of veterans with Gulf War Syndrome who are now prohibited from possessing firearms.
Constitutional rights are unalienable. But these people don't own dictionaries.
Last edited by Happy in Wyoming; 07-14-2012 at 03:44 PM..
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