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the UN now says climate change since the anticipation of a cooling period...save your energy. I know CO2 doesn't cause climate change. The sun is the main driver of our climate. Some of you hardcore believers need to do some serious research.
Here is a little experiment for a couple of you. If the above is accurate, you should be able to do some quick google searching and find a reference that agrees with you. Lots of scientific publications are available on the internet as well as what the UN (ie, IPCC) predicts.
On the other hand, if you are getting all this information from AM talk radio shows and cant show any proof that its true, you are the one who has been deceived.
Ever consider that the fossil fuel industry has huge $$$$ to lose if we do anything about climate change and has been funding marketing deception for years. And they now have all those data base and artificial intelligence tools to aid in the deception. If you dont have a scientific background, you make an easy target to be deceived. And the deception has been so effective that you dont even consider that there is an enormousness $$$$ incentive for the fossil fuel industry to deceive folks like you.
So. let see if you can back that up. If you cant find any references.. you are the one who has been deceived.
Hilo hit another record yesterday at 87 degrees.......
Ocean remains quite warm, along with very little in the way of trades/clouds, equals warm and dry air so far this month.
November is historically the wettest month for Hilo, yet I’ve recorded only 4/10
inch at a wetter, upslope spot.
Agenda. LOL. Let's pretend this whole global warming thing is a hoax. Done. You win.
But aren't there other compelling reasons to embrace technology that does things like clean our air and water? Technology that reduces pollutants in our ecosystem that adversely affects all life? Isn't that reason enough? How about energy security? Is that another good reason? Or is clean air and water dumb? Energy security... bleh, stupid stuff!
The real problem isn't whether global warming is real or not. It's that there are serious loons out there that live their lives promoting a hilariously absurd myopic/cultish political agenda. Everyone with half a brain knows anything that combats global warming has many other benefits. Whether anything we're doing to fight global warming is productive in actually reducing the rate of warming in our lifetime is a moot point. The real benefits are much more obvious, occur in real time and cannot be argued.
No one is saying clean air and water is dumb, but what are we to do? Go back to the Stone Age? Let the free market do its thing and by that there will be more efficient and cleaner means of energy. When the government gets involved and imposes regulations it destroys innovation which in turn destroys cleaner solutions. With that said, it’s not about climate change or global warming, but rather about no growth and anti-capitalism. The vast majority of those who are global warmers and man caused climate change advocates are socialists. They use climate change as camouflage of their real agenda.
.., it’s not about climate change or global warming, but rather about no growth and anti-capitalism. The vast majority of those who are global warmers and man caused climate change advocates are socialists. They use climate change as camouflage of their real agenda.
Acknowledging the problem is real and recognizing the inevitable consequences would be
a first step for the intellectually honest.
What to do about it, as a country, as a state, is open to debate.
Turning control of industry over to government is DOA-not a valid concern.
Acknowledging the problem is real and recognizing the inevitable consequences would be
a first step for the intellectually honest.
What to do about it, as a country, as a state, is open to debate.
Turning control of industry over to government is DOA-not a valid concern.
I think everybody with a modicum of education knows that climate change is real, very real. Over the many millions of year since there was enough atmosphere to have weather, and hence climate, it has done little except change. "Ice Ages" followed by periods of warming, and then cooling and then warming...
It is a natural and unavoidable phenomenon that is part and parcel of our environment. Man didn't create climate change, nor can he stop it. At best, he may have some minor effects at the edges, such as moving up the time frame for warming to occur by a small amount, but nothing more than that.
Our only option is to adjust and make the necessary changes to accommodate its inevitable effects - and mankind has been doing that since his arrival on the scene, until now, and the bulk of that accommodation occurred long before had more than a campfire at his disposal.
Whatever the climate is going to do, it would have done with or without mankind on the scene.
However, when you use the tactic of alarmism to justify stealing freedom, bit-by-bit, from the people, global warming makes great subject matter.
Location: not sure, but there's a hell of a lot of water around here!
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Man didn't create climate change, nor can he stop it.
Man did create this particular phase of climate change, and started doing so when he discovered how to create and control fire. We've been burning the planet, whether it be wood, coal, or oil and gas ever since. And the very medium that recycles the carbon dioxide produced by that burning back into oxygen has been diminishing since we first started burning it. To think otherwise is just foolish.
But then again, only 90% plus of scientists associated with climate research agree that the change is being implemented by human activity, and what would they know?
I mean the scientists, not the humans.
Man did create this particular phase of climate change, and started doing so when he discovered how to create and control fire. We've been burning the planet, whether it be wood, coal, or oil and gas ever since. And the very medium that recycles the carbon dioxide produced by that burning back into oxygen has been diminishing since we first started burning it. To think otherwise is just foolish.
But then again, only 90% plus of scientists associated with climate research agree that the change is being implemented by human activity, and what would they know?
I mean the scientists, not the humans.
We are emerging from an "Ice Age", of course the earth is warming. You have substituted propaganda (90% plus of scientists..) for facts.
You might as well try to establish a connection between ships and waves on the ocean. Yes, some relatively minor waves are caused by ships as they pass through the water, the but overwhelming the amount of wave activity on the ocean is natural and unstoppable. Same sort of comparison, i.e. a tiny effect that can be attributed to man superimposed on an already-existing natural phenomenon of relatively massive proportions.
I remember a long time ago, perhaps in the 70s, when the alarmists were predicting an Ice Age caused by man. Didn't happen. None of the dire consequences predicted by this cult have ever happened. All the "bad" things that people see happening now, have happened before, many, many times, as a result of natural fluctuations.
Plants absorb CO2, strip off the O2 and use the Carbon to make cellulose which is the building blocks of their structure. Deforestation is an issue, but how many trees do we replant annually - the number must be billions, and I personally have planted hundreds. However, most CO2 is absorbed by algae in the sea, as I recall.
The American people have gone a long way towards cleaning up. The air is much cleaner, the water is much cleaner. Meanwhile it is pollution as usual in most of the rest of the world. Our cars produce little but CO2 and H2O. Get behind a really old car, before pollution controls, and see/smell the difference.
We will NOT give up our lifestyle, and if the ocean goes up an inch or so, or a foot or so, those that live by the sea will deal with it. So far, it hasn't risen enough to be an issue. Have YOU noticed it going up?
Meanwhile, you are free to give up lifestyle all you wish in homage to the fanatics, which is really what this "issue" is all about, i.e. forcing YOU to give up lifestyle, the universal answer, BTW, demanded by ALL the activists and their various "causes". See a pattern developing?
Location: not sure, but there's a hell of a lot of water around here!
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Meanwhile, you are free to give up lifestyle all you wish in homage to the fanatics, which is really what this "issue" is all about, i.e. forcing YOU to give up lifestyle, the universal answer, BTW, demanded by ALL the activists and their various "causes". See a pattern developing?
Aloha
So all of this 'global warming' nonsense is some post Clinton, far left, deep state sponsored conspiracy to stop us from burning coal and putting gas into our cars? I get it now.
Thanks for clearing that up
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