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Old Yesterday, 04:20 PM
 
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Why anticipate pain setting in for starters. BTW: How old are you. If you don't mind telling, I'm 79 and proud of it.

Oxy side effects for my body were: CONSTIPATION, FATIGUE, NAUSEA

I have a friend who has been taking script version of naproxen for many years, arthritis issues, several back surgeries and never had issues SHE SAYS with Naprosyn. I don't see how people don't have issues but maybe she's the exception. This med is known to elevate blood pressure.
You post a lot about your friends & family's medical conditions and their diets.

Stop judging other people's PRIVATE decisions or you won't have many of either left...if that works for her, so what?
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Old Yesterday, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
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You post a lot about your friends & family's medical conditions and their diets.

Stop judging other people's PRIVATE decisions or you won't have many of either left...if that works for her, so what?
I can post what I want to post. thank you very much.

I was merely sharing a naprosyn long use story about a friend who has been taking it for years. geeeeez

Anyone can post what they want to and I don't call them on what they do...thanks again.

As far as Private Decisions, who says it's private and I'm not giving out names and addresses.

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Old Yesterday, 04:44 PM
 
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The medical profession loves to prescribe drugs. You could say their job description is drug prescriber.

Before we had all these drugs, there probably wasn't much doctors could do for most pains and ailments. Now they can treat symptoms with drugs, while the drugs create new ailments and disorders.

Wouldn't it be nice if doctors actually could find the cause of things like depression, and actually do something to cure it?

But that's just a fantasy. It's awfully hard to find causes, and now they don't even try, it seems.

But, for example, some of these posts mentioned thyroid or vitamin D. I think depression probably has a physical cause most of the time.

Yes it can run in families, but that doesn't mean the cause is genetic. That means there is probably a genetic vulnerability, but the actual cause is probably environmental. Our environment is unnatural and all kinds of things might disrupt normal brain function.

But doctors aren't looking at environmental causes, most of them anyway. It's easier to just say it's genetic and prescribe pills.
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Old Yesterday, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Naperville, Illinois
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Well that's nice for you. However, there are some people who live in intractable pain.
Of them, a subset only really respond to opioid receptor agonists. Its their only relief from pain and many consider the side effects as certainly worth the removal of the pain.
There is also intractable depression. The choice between a course of electroconvulsive therapy ("shock treatment") and no treatment is literally for these patients a choice between life and death. For these patients, anti-depressants just don't work. (by the way, ECT today is nothing like the primitive horror in movies like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest).
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Old Yesterday, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Naperville, Illinois
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The medical profession loves to prescribe drugs. You could say their job description is drug prescriber.

Before we had all these drugs, there probably wasn't much doctors could do for most pains and ailments. Now they can treat symptoms with drugs, while the drugs create new ailments and disorders.

Wouldn't it be nice if doctors actually could find the cause of things like depression, and actually do something to cure it?

But that's just a fantasy. It's awfully hard to find causes, and now they don't even try, it seems.

But, for example, some of these posts mentioned thyroid or vitamin D. I think depression probably has a physical cause most of the time.

Yes it can run in families, but that doesn't mean the cause is genetic. That means there is probably a genetic vulnerability, but the actual cause is probably environmental. Our environment is unnatural and all kinds of things might disrupt normal brain function.

But doctors aren't looking at environmental causes, most of them anyway. It's easier to just say it's genetic and prescribe pills.
No one believes the "cause" of depression or any other mental disorder is just genetic. Identical twin studies have shown that tendencies the most inheritable disorders (like depression) are maybe 40% inheritance, the 60% is environment, upbringing, stressors, and things like existential factors (e.g., a person with no social or spiritual support system is likely to have a harder time of it).

Do you seriously think science is not trying to find causes? The fact is: the human brain has dozens or hundreds of neurotransmitters floating around, and we only understand what a handful of them do. We've found through experimentation that some drugs affect certain neurotransmitters, but they tend to affect multiple systems. I don't know where you are getting your information, but research programs do look at environmental causes. Look: your family doctor or specialist does not do scientific research (though he/she might participate in research projects). That's done in universities and doctors are the consumers of the result. You're lumping the doctors who treat you with the researchers who are looking into new treatments.

Psychiatrists prescribe pills because their training and practice is all about biological treatment of disorders: the medical model. Very few of them do talk therapy - and some of them don't believe in it because they believe there will be chemical/biological treatments for all disorders one day. As a talk therapist, I believe they're profoundly wrong -- but their belief system is not due to their thinking it's genetic, or that it's easier to just prescribe pills. Mental health professionals are taught a biopsychosocial model for disorders today -- which means there are biological, psychological, and social aspects to disorders. Many would add spiritual to that.

However -- disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia are not just the result of bad diet or something in the environment; there are many other factors involved, including environmental. But it's simplistic to say it's "just environmental".
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Old Yesterday, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
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Vasily: If science found causes, pharma would be out of a lot of business. And yes I seriously believe this.

Just thinking about this depression issue and I'm 79, never did I feel a depression issue until post menopause and I was in early 50's.

I did a lot of dancing all the life and exercising and that's gotta say something that MAYBE kept any depression from my being.
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Old Yesterday, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
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PUSHING drugs is a bit much. Offering meds for potential side effects from pain meds isn't "pushing" anything.

Curious why you even go to the doctor or especially the hospital if you have every remedy known to man?

I had heart surgery. Ibuprofen didn't work. I assure you.
I've had surgeries and been given the oxy drugs too. This last go around with staph infection, I went with oxy as "they" pushed me to do PT and didn't know the infection was doing the harm is was doing. I finally got off the oxy as the side effects were unbearable.

If and when I decide to do a knee replacement, one of the dreads is the oxy drugs for after surgery and from everything I'm told, it's a hard rehab.
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Old Yesterday, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
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So I'm not there yet but may be in the next couple of years as age sets in. In moderate pain now which I take naproxen for. So what are these horrible side effects you got, jamin?
Since pain issues have come into this thread, this just arrived:

Painkillers and hormones | Dr. Marc Darrow is a Stem Cell, PRP,Prolotherapy Expert in Los Angeles.
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Old Yesterday, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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I was given Prozac in 1991 when this all started for me, it was post menopause, and the drug did NOTHING. So I got off it pretty fast.

Took Zoloft for a while and that helped but not the answer.

I suspected thryoid for years but the lab numbers ruled the MD's decisions. Sadly today's MODERN docs go by numbers and "forget the symptoms"...so many "smart" older doctors who worked before the labs even came into our existence.
I have to agree with you on that, although I do have a couple of really great doctors right now who listen and do not try and put me on pointless stuff. I left my last doctor for that very reason.
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Old Yesterday, 05:27 PM
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Location: Nantahala National Park, NC
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Was trying to avoid this thread but I cannot...

Have had MDD, major depressive disorder, for many yrs...greatly helped by psychotherapy and finally a trio of medications. Also BPD, borderline personality disorder (just diagnosed) that is in remission. Many depressed patients will later be discovered to have more than one mental illness diagnosis.

A psychiatrist told me someone with severe depression many times will have sexual abuse as history. Or physical abuse, neglect when a child. That coupled with a family history of mental illness, and/or genetic component defines many cases, including mine.

BTW...I am a medical professional, RN. Responses on this thread that cite patients as lazy, drug-addicted, (or just should "snap out of it) and physicians as doling out anti-depressants without care are not helpful and are incorrect.

Help is out there.
Each day my goal is to take care of my emotional needs before all else.





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The medical profession loves to prescribe drugs. You could say their job description is drug prescriber.

Before we had all these drugs, there probably wasn't much doctors could do for most pains and ailments. Now they can treat symptoms with drugs, while the drugs create new ailments and disorders.

Wouldn't it be nice if doctors actually could find the cause of things like depression, and actually do something to cure it?

But that's just a fantasy. It's awfully hard to find causes, and now they don't even try, it seems.

But, for example, some of these posts mentioned thyroid or vitamin D. I think depression probably has a physical cause most of the time.

Yes it can run in families, but that doesn't mean the cause is genetic. That means there is probably a genetic vulnerability, but the actual cause is probably environmental. Our environment is unnatural and all kinds of things might disrupt normal brain function.

But doctors aren't looking at environmental causes, most of them anyway. It's easier to just say it's genetic and prescribe pills.

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