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Old 04-09-2023, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic east coast
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I'm guessing you have osteoarthritis? I have psoriatic arthritis and went gluten free for 3 years. It neither stopped it, nor stopped it's progression.

But I'm glad it worked for you.
Condition never named. So I don't even know exactly what I have...a scan showed some deterioration in both hips, lower spine and one knee, neck. Pain is only in left hip/left knee. No pain in right hip--or back or neck...

No pain anywhere else. Maybe left hip hurts 'cause that's the side I sleep on? Pressure pain when inflamed?

Assuming it was wear and tear due to use/age.

But I DO know the wheat elimination has made a huge difference in the amount of pain in hip/knee. So I'm very happy with that.

I'm gonna assume I have the kind of arthritis that is affected by eating certain inflammatory foods--and wheat seems the big culprit.
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Old 04-11-2023, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Early America
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Condition never named. So I don't even know exactly what I have...a scan showed some deterioration in both hips, lower spine and one knee, neck. Pain is only in left hip/left knee. No pain in right hip--or back or neck...

No pain anywhere else. Maybe left hip hurts 'cause that's the side I sleep on? Pressure pain when inflamed?

Assuming it was wear and tear due to use/age.

But I DO know the wheat elimination has made a huge difference in the amount of pain in hip/knee. So I'm very happy with that.

I'm gonna assume I have the kind of arthritis that is affected by eating certain inflammatory foods--and wheat seems the big culprit.
It's not in your head. The processed wheat products that triggered your pain are known to be inflammatory.

If osteoarthritis is not inflammatory, why is it treated with anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs)? Osteoarthritis as an inflammatory disease https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...63458412010254

You mentioned before that dairy might be a problem for you too. The casein protein in dairy products is inflammatory for many people. Butter and cream have only trace amounts of casein and are usually better tolerated than all the other dairy products.
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Old 04-11-2023, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic east coast
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It's not in your head. The processed wheat products that triggered your pain are known to be inflammatory.

If osteoarthritis is not inflammatory, why is it treated with anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs)? Osteoarthritis as an inflammatory disease https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...63458412010254

You mentioned before that dairy might be a problem for you too. The casein protein in dairy products is inflammatory for many people. Butter and cream have only trace amounts of casein and are usually better tolerated than all the other dairy products.
You make excellent points! I've learned that any health condition that ends with "-itis" means inflammation. Such as arthritis, bursitis, meningitis, etc.

I'd much rather eliminate certain foods (even if I like them a lot) then take steroids and all the side effects those cause! And quieting the pain is the carrot in front of the horse driving me on.

Steroids can cause many other nasty conditions and strong side effects...don't want them.

Ever since I quit smoking cigarettes 25 years ago, quitting certain foods or other other negative behaviors is not too, too challenging...

Quitting smoking was one tough nut to crack...ever since, other eliminations have been kinda easy-peasy...in comparison.
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Old 04-12-2023, 03:27 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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It's not in your head. The processed wheat products that triggered your pain are known to be inflammatory.

If osteoarthritis is not inflammatory, why is it treated with anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs)? Osteoarthritis as an inflammatory disease https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...63458412010254

You mentioned before that dairy might be a problem for you too. The casein protein in dairy products is inflammatory for many people. Butter and cream have only trace amounts of casein and are usually better tolerated than all the other dairy products.
Let's put a little finer point on that--

Whole grains have been shown to have some small effects on T-cell populations and some chemical indictors of inflammation https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28179226/ but this has not been shown to translate into any pathology or treatment. More study is needed.

NSAIDS all have three effects-- anti-inflammatory, anti-pyretic and analgesic. They can reduce pain even when there's no inflammation, so that argment doesn't hold water. NSAIDs operate on the prostaglandin metabolic chain. Where exactly on that chain one chemical works explains why one chemical will have stronger, weaker or little effect at all on the three effects of the grouop.

"Osteoarthritis" is not actuallly an "-itis." No primary inflammation. It's a high mileage problem- deterioration of bone from physical stress. Secondary inflammation does come into play because that's part of the healing process-- but it's not enough to show the classic signs of inflammation-- rubor, calor, dolor, tumor & functio laesa.

I have to doubt the affect of diet on osteoarthritis even as we conceed that maybe it does affect inflammatory arthritides.

As I said earlier- changing diet won't hurt anyone and it may help. I don't care if it helps because it reduces inflammation or by placebo effect. If it works, keep it up. People do dumber things and are happy with themselves.
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Old 04-13-2023, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Early America
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Let's put a little finer point on that--

Whole grains have been shown to have some small effects on T-cell populations and some chemical indictors of inflammation https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28179226/ but this has not been shown to translate into any pathology or treatment. More study is needed.
The participants were healthy adults so no chronic disease or inflammatory status. It's possible that there would be more pronounced changes in participants with chronic disease or high inflammation.

In my experience, whole grains were not good for me, but slightly better than refined grains. I rarely eat grains of any kind. The type I have is not osteoarthritis.

Osteoarthritis is less of an inflammatory process, although inflammation is still present.

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NSAIDS all have three effects-- anti-inflammatory, anti-pyretic and analgesic. They can reduce pain even when there's no inflammation, so that argment doesn't hold water. NSAIDs operate on the prostaglandin metabolic chain. Where exactly on that chain one chemical works explains why one chemical will have stronger, weaker or little effect at all on the three effects of the grouop.
"Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs reduce the inflammation that accompanies arthritis. NSAIDs work by preventing an enzyme called cyclooxgenase (COX) from making hormone-like chemicals called prostaglandins. Prostaglandins are one of the body's biggest contributors to inflammation." https://www.arthritis.org/drug-guide/nsaids/nsaids

Anti-inflammatory foods like omega-3 fatty acids and others also inhibit this enzyme called cyclooxygenase (COX ), which produces the prostaglandin hormones that spark inflammation.

Foods that increase prostaglandins are conventional dairy, processed meats, refined oils, added sugars, alcohol and more.

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"Osteoarthritis" is not actuallly an "-itis." No primary inflammation. It's a high mileage problem- deterioration of bone from physical stress. Secondary inflammation does come into play because that's part of the healing process-- but it's not enough to show the classic signs of inflammation-- rubor, calor, dolor, tumor & functio laesa.
Osteoarthritis (OA) has traditionally been classified as a noninflammatory arthritis; however, the dichotomy between inflammatory and degenerative arthritis is becoming less clear with the recognition of a plethora of ongoing immune processes within the OA joint and synovium. Synovitis is defined as inflammation of the synovial membrane and is characteristic of classical inflammatory arthritidies. Increasingly recognized is the presence of synovitis in a significant proportion of patients with primary OA, and based on this observation, further studies have gone on to implicate joint inflammation and synovitis in the pathogenesis of OA." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3638313/


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I have to doubt the affect of diet on osteoarthritis even as we conceed that maybe it does affect inflammatory arthritides.

As I said earlier- changing diet won't hurt anyone and it may help. I don't care if it helps because it reduces inflammation or by placebo effect. If it works, keep it up. People do dumber things and are happy with themselves.
All of the arthritis organizations that I know of advise arthritis sufferers of any type to avoid or restrict certain foods. Their recommendations are based on a wealth of evidence. No one has to take their advice but if you'd like to know if those foods are negatively affecting you, it's simple to find out. Eliminate the known problem foods to see if pain decreases and of course replace them with healthier foods, preferably anti-inflammatory foods. No more studies are needed for that.
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