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Old 10-30-2015, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Southern Colorado
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Conspiracy: Two or more people secretly agree to engage in unethical behavior. Happens millions of times every day.

One has to be an idiot to make fun of the idea of conspiracies taking place.
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Old 10-30-2015, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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You (and everyone else) missed the point.

Close your eyes and listen to the shot pattern in the CBS documentary, then listen to the shot pattern as recorded by the Dallas PD dicta-phone at NARA.

Bam -.-.-.- Bam -.-.-.-Bam

is not the same as

Bam-.-Bam-.-.-.-.-.-.-Bam


Any idiot can fire three shots in a row, but no one has ever duplicated the exact shot pattern Oswald allegedly fired, and we know the exact pattern, because it was recorded on audio tape (thanks to the motorcycle cop who was one of the conspirators).

Three independent labs analyzed the shots fired acoustically from the NARA tape and concluded three shots were fired, one lab concluded four shots were fired, and one lab indicated it couldn't determine if three or four shots were fired.

Note that Oswald the Loner Theory hinges entirely on the Magic Bullet Theory.

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Therefore it was ------------- who killed President Kennedy.

The above is an example of the quality of the evidence which I referenced above. It calls into doubt that Oswald fired alone.

And where does it leave us with regard to solving the crime?
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Old 10-31-2015, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Southern Colorado
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The Secret Service was in charge of evidence preservation. They proceeded to destroy a great deal of evidence. How does one gather the needed evidence when those in charge of the evidence have successfully destroyed it?

I'll agree that this case will likely never be solved. But I will forever be dumbfounded by the establishment toadies with the "Case Closed....Nothing to See Here" mentality. They often go well out of their way to ridicule the curious. Which I tend to find a little bit incriminating.

We should be very interested in a murder. Especially in the murder of a very controversial President presiding in tumultuous times.

Let us take a look at some of the more common suspects:
Johnson/Connelly
CIA
Castro/Cuba
USSR
Mafia
Secret Service
John Birchers/Big Oil
"military industrial complex"
Federal Reserve/globalists/Illuminati

Kennedy had balls. Pissing off a lot of those groups takes balls. The Presidency was stripped of a lot of power after Kennedy exercised it somewhat freely.

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Old 09-13-2019, 02:43 PM
 
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Of all the books I have read about the assassination, "Killing JFK, 50 Years, 50 Lies" is the most convincing book that indicates that there was a conspiracy. The book goes into amazing detail with info I'd never heard elsewhere. I believe the author.
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Old 09-14-2019, 09:29 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Folks love their conspiracy theories. In the final analysis random violence perpetrated by a lone assassin happens with regularity through the history.
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Old 10-06-2019, 01:19 PM
 
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This is directed to those who believe the JFK Assassination had to be the work of a conspiracy. My conclusion is that Oswald acted alone and made a relatively impulsive decision to shoot the President. Consider the following:

1. While Kennedy and top democrats had planned the trip to Texas for months before no specific details were included in the plans other than the cities they would visit.

2. Oswald was an itinerant drifter who in 1963 had already held several jobs. When he lost a job in New Orleans, a family friend, Ruth Paine tried to help him find another one. She heard from acquaintances that work might be available at the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas. (TSBD) She called the TSBD and learned they were trying to fill a position. Ruth Paine is still currently alive and has spoken a number of times about these events.

3. Oswald, based on this information, went to the TSBD and applied for work. He was hired on October 16, 1963.

4. The motorcade route through Dallas was not planned until November 8, 1963. The route past Dealey Plaza was chosen because of it was a direct route between Love Field (where the President's plane landed) and the Dallas Trade Mart where a luncheon had been organized for the President.

5. Details of the route of the motorcade were published in local newspapers about a week before JFK came to Dallas. Oswald, despite being a loner and a sociopath, was an avid reader and could easily have found these details.

This timeline of events shows just how difficult the concept of a "conspiracy" is in the case. Oswald got the job at the TSBD because of friends and happenstance. No person in a high place, intervened to get it for him. He couldn't have known about the motorcade or its route at that time, because the route wasn't planned until three weeks later on November 8th.

All this will still fail to convince diehard conspiracy believers, but the facts just don't support a conspiracy.

AARC Public Digital Library - Warren Report, pg

Oswald did not act alone. JFK was hit by two shots in two directions. I say it was the government (republicans). How else could something of this magnitude go unsolved? Cover ups.
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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Oswald did not act alone. JFK was hit by two shots in two directions. I say it was the government (republicans). How else could something of this magnitude go unsolved? Cover ups.
Up to a point, you are probably right. But it was not Republicans. It wasn't like that back then. It would have been individuals or smallish groups seeking power and they used groups that hated him, like the Mafia and maybe some Cubans. They used people in the CIA and the FBI (J. Edgar Hoover) who hated JFK.

It was like a coup, an overthrow of the government by people who wanted things to go their way. They used people, paid people, to get the job done. Oswald worked for the CIA--that's how he got Russian language lessons and was sent to Russia and got to come back. He had a low level job though and just got used. As he said, he was a "patsy." They just took advantage of him. Who "they" are, no one is still quite sure.

Of course it was covered up. Since certain members of the CIA were in on it, they were also able to cover it up. A lot of the witnesses were killed.
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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I'm not following this at all.

First, LHO wasn't a perfect tool for anything. He was a loose cannon, who months before had tried to murder General Edwin Walker with the same rifle that he shot JFK with. Who, in their right mind, would hire such a man to do anything? His background portrays longstanding dislike for his country and for figures of authority. He was mentally unstable and unable to hold a job down. What exactly was LHO getting in return for trying to assassinate JFK? Where is the payment of dollars? Why wasn't Marina wealthy after what happened?

Second, did the timeline that I laid out for go right over your head? LHO gets a job in the school book depository three weeks before anyone would have known of the route the motorcade was taking, because it was planned three weeks after that date. Are you claiming "the conspirators" were just lucky? LHO just happened to be working a building where the motorcade would pass by and so they say "Hey Lee, want to shoot the President?". All these events would have had to take place--at the most--within two weeks from November 8 (when the route was planned) to November 22nd when JFK was shot. Why did neither Marina Oswald or any of the family friends shed any light for the Warren Commission on this alleged conspiracy? LHO must have had some dealings with them while he was living with Marina, right? If there was a conspiracy, why didn't LHO talk about that while he was in custody of the Dallas police before he was shot? Why did Jack Ruby go to his death bed stating that he acted alone when he made the decision to shoot LHO?

Third, there never has been any real evidence there was a second gunman. The idea that someone was shooting at the motorcade from the Grassy Knoll is hogwash. They would have been right in plain sight and there would have been multiple witnesses to identify that person.

The final point, I'd make is that there is a history of presidential assassinations in this country. With the exception of the Lincoln Assassination, none of the others involved conspiracies. Leon Czogoloz murdered President McKinley because, as an anarchist, he saw McKinley as a capitalist tool. Charles Guiteau was a mentally ill, disappointed over not being appointed to public office, who shot and ultimately killed President Garfield. The pattern is that mentally unstable people see the President as a target. He is a "the reason" that they aren't doing better in life and they want to punish or eliminate him. IMO, the JFK assassination was the same sort of thing.
An old thread, but..
What if the CIA knew or was planning that route at the time?
It would not be difficult to insert the idea of the the route and/or the justification for that particular route to the people in charge of officially planning the route.
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Old 10-06-2019, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Crackpots never fade away, they just keep posting on message boards.
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Old 10-06-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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Crackpots never fade away, they just keep posting on message boards.
I hope you're talking about yourself and not the rest of us.
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