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It's not that your necessarily anti-semitic or a Nazi-apologist, it's just that you view Nazism as the lesser of two evils when compared with Communism.
These "theories" have grown out of post-war conservative movements and were largely driven by Cold War hysteria. The thesis is that the western Allies would have been better off letting Hitler and Stalin kill each other while giving just enough support to Hitler to let him win (afterall Hitler didn't really want war with the west). The western Allies could then deal with an exhausted Hitler and/or keep him inline. Anything is better than allowing communism to have a free hand in Europe. These usually involve discrediting both Churchill and FDR as short-sighted fools who got played by Stalin.
The main agitators of this theory tend to brush over the Holocaust as being a tragic event, but not nearly as tragic as what was supposedly unleashed by Stalin. They won't say it, but there is also a definite vibe of "who cares about 'Jesus killers', gypsies and homosexuals anyway".
I know where you are drawing your arguments from and some of the works have already been debated (and in some cases eviscerated) on the site. Why don't you share some of your sources?
Yes, you are 100% right about my argument.
Nobody denies the atrocity of Hilter, however, unfortunately Churchill simply achieved very little - if anything in "net benefit" to Europe or the UK - in bringing down Hitler at any cost.
Churchill in my opinion is war-loving, shortsighted with too much of an ego to be too obssessedd with defeating one enemy yet totally underestimated the harm of the ally he introduced to achieve that.
The Holocaust itself can't fully justify all his failed strategies - many of you seem to indicate it does. Not a single trategy fully justifies a world war because you always have to weigh the pros and cons. I tend to believe that all things considered - not just how evil Nazism is, but everything - the world would have suffered less if Britain negotiated a peace treaty with Germany in 1940.
By emotion, I meant one can't put too much importance on one thing just because it is closer to him, yet completely ignoring the suffering of others you aren't familar with him.
Thank God for Churchill, who refused to cave when that was the easy way out. His deal , in effect, cut out a vital organ that had cancer..before letting it spread and kill the body. W/O Churchill, Germany takes over..the world.
We were complicit, by being isolationists far too long, which was, IMO, immoral.
PS: Germany did not want peace, and would have broken "any agreement". Nazi Germany simply had to be destroyed..at ANY cost.
Most of the large extermination centers (other than slave labor camps or concentration camps to dispose of political opponents both in the party or outside the party) were placed in what was left of Poland after parts of it were annexed into Germany. The remains of Poland were a private fife of the SS and it was a quiet place to do the Final Solution. Imagine the horror of Soviet forces when they came up[on Maidenek, Treblinka, Sobibor and finally Birkenau. The Russians are a tough people who have seen or thought they had seen it all. But this horrified even the Zampolits and NKVD who accompanied the troops.
Actually historically a third of Poland was taken by Russia BEFORE it switched sides in which they sent 3 Million Jews to the camps where the Germans took over dealing with the Jews. It s pretty easy to see the timeline of the creation/growth of Ukraine & Belarus occurred while Russia was associated with Germany and and not allied with Europe.
Actually historically a third of Poland was taken by Russia BEFORE it switched sides in which they sent 3 Million Jews to the camps where the Germans took over dealing with the Jews.
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Sorry your writing is not clear.
Who "they" sent 3 million Jews to the camps?
Thank God for Churchill, who refused to cave when that was the easy way out. His deal , in effect, cut out a vital organ that had cancer..before letting it spread and kill the body. W/O Churchill, Germany takes over..the world.
We were complicit, by being isolationists far too long, which was, IMO, immoral.
PS: Germany did not want peace, and would have broken "any agreement". Nazi Germany simply had to be destroyed..at ANY cost.
the world is so simple so black and white for you, isn't it?
Too much cnn is not good for intelligence.
To conquer the world, you mean with 70 million German population and land half the size of Texas hitler was going to take the "world"? As powerful 1950 US didn't come close to conquer half of the world and lost on so many fronts, and tiny Germany was going to conquer the world. Use some brain and logic.
Botticelli, Yes Germany was on its way, and they would sign treaties w/o honoring them. So dealing with them as one would deal with civilized nations (which WWII Germany was NOT) was the biggest mistake one could make. Fortunately, England did not make that mistake.
The one mistake I do think we made was simple: Post WWII Germany should have been parceled out to other European nations. There should have been no post WWII Germany ever again. That would have been a powerful message to the next "barbaric wanna-be nation".
That's an attitude born of pure hatred. The Germans didn't do anything to deserve the indiscriminate rape and pillage by the Soviets. The real travesty is not a single Russian was charged with war crimes. There are hundreds of thousands of elderly rapists who will never pay for their crime.
what did "German citizens" do to deserve anything? .....
Not all, but many were complicit in getting gains from when the Jews were removed from businesses in the beginning to being removed from the cities completely. Many gained the property and the homes of the Jews for free. Many, in businesses, gained free slave labor. But holding them accountable for their actions would have been difficult since many of the non-Jewish citizens in countries east of them did nearly the same thing.
.... The Germans didn't do anything to deserve the indiscriminate rape and pillage by the Soviets.....
All? no. Some got back what they did to others. There are photos online of Germans striping Jews in the street and doing indiscriminately doing whatever they wanted with them. There are numerous articles on the Germans who lived near the camps using woman from the camps as involuntary prostitutes. Pillaging? The Germans did it to their own neighbors. I'm not saying the Russians were right, but the Germans did not have clean hands either.
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