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Old 08-03-2010, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I think that says more about spiraling medical costs in the US than the anchor baby problem. My point was that turning away a mother in labor is not going to keep that child from being born in the US and being a US citizen. The welfare costs to follow are much more significant than the actual cost of childbirth.
Prenatal, delivery, postnatal, WIC, welfare, etc. are ALL being paid by U.S. taxpayers for millions of illegal aliens. Itís a HUGE, unnecessary burden. We cannot become the maternity ward and caregiver for the world.
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:28 PM
 
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This is an immigration issue but more directly it is a 14th amendment issue which states pretty clearly that those born on American soil are citizens, no matter the intentions of the parents. Refusing medical care and social programs are another matter but until there is a constitutional amendment to reverse this no law trying to counteract the 14the directly will survive any reasonable federal court.
Exactly right. The problem is one of birthright citizenship which, IMHO, needs to be changed to citizenship by descent or by naturalization.

Right now the kids are American citizens just like you or me and are entitled to the same benefits any other American citizen gets. By law, the "anchor babies" are not illegal immigrants. So the 14th Amendment needs to be replaced before you can put any reasonable solution in place.
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Well, I took my son to the Children s hospital ER when he broke his arm...After waiting in line, yes behind ten bazillion hispanics, got to the window and was told I had a co-pay of 150.00 for using the ER...I said, well obviously I didn't plan for my son to break his arm, so can you bill me and set up pay arrangements...I was told no, my insurance said I have a co-pay so in order to be seen, I had to pay it....so guess who was on the phone asking dad for the money to pay the copay while my 6 year old son sat waiting with a broken arm...No exaggeration, plain and simple truth...But what could I do, except pay it so my sons arm could be tended to..
Thatís the sad truth of having insurance. If your insurance company requires a co-pay, unfortunately, you must pay. Not only do you pay for your treatment, but also for the uninsured. Now, had you NOT had insurance, they would have treated your son, just as they do millions of illegals on a daily basis.

Have you heard of the woman who received multiple organ transplants and never received a bill? No attempts were made to collect. After all, sheís an illegal alien, and we owe her.
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:32 PM
 
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Prenatal, delivery, postnatal, WIC, welfare, etc. are ALL being paid by U.S. taxpayers for millions of illegal aliens. Itís a HUGE, unnecessary burden. We cannot become the maternity ward and caregiver for the world.
When I had my babies, we had to have the hospital and doctor paid for before birth. Also, don't forget - illegals get free organ transplants over Americans who are waiting on lists, and have to have a certain amount of money first. Free Organ Transplants for Illegals in California Don't forget this illegal convicted felon who got a penis pump at taxpayers expense. Unauthorized Access (http://www.shakopeenews.com/news/general_news/county_attorney_decries_costs_illegal_aliens-107 - broken link)
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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When I had my babies, we had to have the hospital and doctor paid for before birth. Also, don't forget - illegals get free organ transplants over Americans who are waiting on lists, and have to have a certain amount of money first. Free Organ Transplants for Illegals in California Don't forget this illegal convicted felon who got a penis pump at taxpayers expense. Unauthorized Access (http://www.shakopeenews.com/news/general_news/county_attorney_decries_costs_illegal_aliens-107 - broken link)
Same here. My doctor had been paid in advance. Unfortunately, I required an emergency c-section, and my son required a resuscitation team. Of course, we didnít anticipate the drama.
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:54 PM
 
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Prenatal, delivery, postnatal, WIC, welfare, etc. are ALL being paid by U.S. taxpayers for millions of illegal aliens. Itís a HUGE, unnecessary burden. We cannot become the maternity ward and caregiver for the world.
This is true.

Three hundred million Americans can't be expected to support all the poor people of the world either. It's very selfish and arrogant to expect that of us. No one subsizided my grandmother's legal immigration. Why should I have to subsidize anyone else's decision to move especially someone who isn't even here with permission?

However I'm still not entirely sure how someone can get food stamps without presenting documentation. Even if the child is a legal citizen doesn't the parent have to present some form of documentation indicating her own income and right to receive such assistance?



I had to verify that I was entitled to unemployment insurance when I was briefly without a job a few years ago. That took about two weeks and lots of paperwork.
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:07 PM
 
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News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Breaking News for Dallas-Fort Worth | Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/061206dnmetmoms.d9b9669.html - broken link)

I admit reading this article makes me so mad.

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Gloria Corona, 31, was back at the prenatal clinic for the first time in four years, convinced that she was pregnant with her third child but wanting to find out for sure. Her boys, 4 and 5 years old, were born at Parkland.
Speaking through a translator, Mrs. Corona expressed gratitude for the Parkland staff having taught her to stay away from alcohol, to eat vegetables and fruits and to drink lots of water during her pregnancies.
She also was grateful that Parkland charged her nothing for the first two deliveries. In her native Mexico, she would have had to pay $200 for a hospital delivery, the equivalent of four to six weeks' pay there, because she had no health insurance, she said.

A cheaper alternative in Mexico would have been a birthing center, which uses less-skilled staff but still costs about $50.
What a group of nervy, lazy, arrogant, creeps! Good grief people. Pay for your own damned babies. No American should EVER be taxed to support illegal migrants to do nothing but give birth at taxpayer expense. I would be beyond furious were I living Dallas and being taxed to support Mexico's maternity costs.

The people in this article should be required to admit where they're from and have all bills sent to their home country's governments before any hospital admission.

I had to pay about 1k out of pocket for my daughter's birth and I had good medical insurance. Why should Gloria Corona expect me to shell out additional funds for the delivery of hers? Let Mexico pay for it!

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Old 08-03-2010, 05:26 PM
 
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This is true.

Three hundred million Americans can't be expected to support all the poor people of the world either. It's very selfish and arrogant to expect that of us. No one subsizided my grandmother's legal immigration. Why should I have to subsidize anyone else's decision to move especially someone who isn't even here with permission?

However I'm still not entirely sure how someone can get food stamps without presenting documentation. Even if the child is a legal citizen doesn't the parent have to present some form of documentation indicating her own income and right to receive such assistance?



I had to verify that I was entitled to unemployment insurance when I was briefly without a job a few years ago. That took about two weeks and lots of paperwork.
They pretend they donít know the whereabouts of the father. Given that most illegal alien women are employed in menial jobs, they easily qualify. The women collect the welfare for their U.S.-born children, while the fathers are paid in cash. They laugh at us.
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Some Beach... Somewhere...
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I agree; something must be done to stop this abuse, but it will never happen. Illegal alien advocates would scream racism, discrimination, Nazism. . . . you name it. It would make the controversy surrounding SB 1070 pale by comparison.
Yep, that's it. When someone tries to make you follow the rules, scream you're a victim - racism, bigotry, religious discrimination, etc. - after all, no one from *your* group should have to follow the rules that everyone else had to abide by! Sounds like our HOA...
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, New York
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I'm thinking out of the box right now but to me this sounds like there are some opportunities for improvement on the healthcare end. Has there ever been the suggestion to have ER's use E-Verify when taking in patients? Anybody who is found as a mismatch could be refused service without either providing collateral of some kind (car, house, expensive jewelry, etc.) or the ID information of somebody else would be made responsible for the bill (with the person's permission of course).
It's against Federal Law.
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