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Old 08-11-2011, 05:46 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Well we willfully ignore the dumber ones all the time, but whatever. The point is that yes, sometimes I do "support" criminal behavior.
Federal immigration laws are supported by majority of Americans, does not violate human rights, civil rights, they should be enforced. If you don't like them, too bad.

Should we not enforce car theft because a group of people feel it's not fair that some have cars while other have to walk or take the bus?

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Old 08-11-2011, 07:19 PM
 
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Federal immigration laws are supported by majority of Americans, does not violate human rights, civil rights, they should be enforced. If you don't like them, too bad.
Oh, wow, this is like the worst argument ever. "Too bad"? This is like the biggest debate-halting tactic ever. We're having a normative discussion here, see? Just because something is the status quo doesn't mean it's automatically unquestionable. The whole point of the discussion here is to debate what SHOULD be, not to determine what CURRENTLY IS.

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Should we not enforce car theft because a group of people feel it's not fair that some have cars while other have to walk or take the bus?
This would be a good point if immigration actually deprived other people of something.
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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Oh, wow, this is like the worst argument ever. "Too bad"? This is like the biggest debate-halting tactic ever. We're having a normative discussion here, see? Just because something is the status quo doesn't mean it's automatically unquestionable. The whole point of the discussion here is to debate what SHOULD be, not to determine what CURRENTLY IS.
The discussion has been going on for too many years, it's time for the laws to be enforced.

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This would be a good point if immigration actually deprived other people of something.
The cost of illegal immigration does cost us all, this has been discussed in detail as well. So yes, we are being deprived due to illegal immigration.
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:39 PM
 
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The discussion has been going on for too many years, it's time for the laws to be enforced.
"I've run out of cliches, so the debate must now stop."

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The cost of illegal immigration does cost us all, this has been discussed in detail as well. So yes, we are being deprived due to illegal immigration.
Really? What are you deprived of when someone moves from one side of an imaginary line in the desert to the other side?
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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"I've run out of cliches, so the debate must now stop."



Really? What are you deprived of when someone moves from one side of an imaginary line in the desert to the other side?
Imaginary line? Bring out the tinfoil hats....
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:07 PM
 
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Imaginary line? Bring out the tinfoil hats....
http://earthsky.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/earth_spin.gif (broken link)

I don't see any lines.
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I don't see any lines.
If you don’t see lines, you need your eyes examined.

Do you recognize the USA? Can you show us the shape of this country or the continents without drawing lines? If so, please demonstrate.
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:42 PM
 
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If you don’t see lines, you need your eyes examined.

Do you recognize the USA? Can you show us the shape of this country or the continents without drawing lines? If so, please demonstrate.
Maybe he needs to buy a map and then he will see the lines.
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:50 PM
 
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Well there are various crimes I think should not be crimes, laws I think should not be laws, etc.
No one made you dictator of the USA, you don't decide the laws. I think robbing banks should be legal but I don't get by with robbing banks. Illegal immigration and working illegally in this country are crimes, like it or not.
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:52 PM
 
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Illegal is illegal..period

Why this is even a debate is retarded at best.
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