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Old 08-24-2011, 10:01 PM
 
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Hey you are saying that chart isn't valid so explain to me, the unenlightened, how unskilled people can get here.

 
Old 08-24-2011, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by Rockmadinejad View Post
If the demand isn't there, then there is no competition anyway. That's why all these concerns about the entirety of the third world coming here are ridiculous. Laborers are coming here because there is unfulfilled demand. As demand sinks, so will the supply, regardless of the laws in place.
Or because we do such a poor job of enforcing labor laws greedy employers are laughing all the way to the bank. In the case of construction no doubt about it.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Hey you are saying that chart isn't valid so explain to me, the unenlightened, how unskilled people can get here.
You posted a chart. I want links to verify its a valid chart used by the USCIS. if you cant its bogus and unsupported.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 10:05 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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Hey you are saying that chart isn't valid so explain to me, the unenlightened, how unskilled people can get here.
Why do we need unskilled people??????????????????????????????

We want to improve the U.S.A., not bring in more welfare recipients!!!!!!!!!!
 
Old 08-24-2011, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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You posted a chart. I want links to verify its a valid chart used by the USCIS. if you cant its bogus and unsupported.
It shows the general policies of how USCIS has determined that someone can immigrate...

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Old 08-24-2011, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I shows the general policies of how USCIS has determined that someone can immigrate...
actually as far as I can tell you posted someones opinion of those policies.
No different than if I posted a chart from a web sight that makes unsubstantiated claims. So you admit that this is not a chart used by the USCIS?
 
Old 08-24-2011, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I shows the general policies of how USCIS has determined that someone can immigrate...
But once again even if it is valid is it wrong to be selective? I would suggest that it is good policy to limit immigration of those not sponsored to those who can prove that they have the means to support themselves if they move here.
 
Old 08-25-2011, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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No, I´ve learned my children are much more truthful, and won´t say a baseless statement that they can´t defend in any way (I´ve trained them well)...

12 years-old is the Federally mandated minimum for someone less than four years older, just like we do in the United States. Mexican states can, and do, raise that age higher. I recognized that you wouldn´t defend your assertion applied to an adult for anywhere in Mexico (you do understand your source has content as it would apply to their minor viewers?).

Maybe you should look over Wiki a little bit more, it would have prevented an easy error on your part...

The offender was Brazilian, but I knew you can be predictable enough to bring Mexico into it in some way. Check the chart, the Vatican is also listed as an age of consent at 12 (with no notation). Does that mean pedophile priests are somehow encouraged in their sickness? If it were claimed as a simple response for a thread like this, wouldn´t that be a smear?

You didn´t quote your source correctly...

You didn´t attempt to quote the detail of the notation...

You didn´t verify the truthfulness of your statement...

You advanced a theory that doesn´t correlate to the data...

And I continue to understand why I am wise to dismiss anything you say as relevant...
I should have referenced Wiki? You mean the website whose content can be modified by any computer savvy teen? Heck, even YOU could have edited its content. Don’t make me laugh.

But, since you insist on using Wiki as a source, here it is. . .

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In Mexico, criminal legislation is shared between the federal and state governments. The federal law establishes the age of 12 as the minimum age of consent, while the age at which there are no restrictions for consensual sexual activities is 18 (sex with someone 12-18 is not illegal per se, but can still be open to prosecution under certain circumstances). Local state laws may override the federal law. In practice, the decision as to whether or not to prosecute is left to state authorities regardless of the younger person's age. At state level, the minimum ages of consent vary between 12 (and puberty in a few states) and 15, while the age at which there are no restrictions for consensual sexual activities vary from 16 to 18 (most common 18).
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Article 261 of the Federal Criminal Code (PDF) states that: ”Whoever, without the purpose of reaching copulation, performs a sexual act in a person under 12 or in a person that has no capacity of understanding the meaning of the act or that for any reason cannot resist, or demands that the act is performed, will be punished with a term of 2 to 5 years in prison”. If the offender uses moral or physical violence, an extra half term is added to the initial time.
Ages of consent in North America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmm. . . No mention of “less than four years older.” I wonder why.

In addition, the following is a study conducted and funded by universities in London, and referenced by Princeton University. Note, again, the age of consent is 12.

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In Mexico, sexual intercourse with anyone under the age of 12 is considered to be rape (Article 266 of the Penal Code, Juarez & Gayet, 2000).
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Of course I mentioned Mexico, given their overwhelming numbers among the illegal alien population. Yes, this particular man is from Brazil. However, MOST cases of illegal alien child molestation in this country involve Mexicans.

You must truly be desperate to dare mention the Vatican’s age of consent is 12, as though that somehow makes it acceptable.
 
Old 08-25-2011, 08:20 AM
 
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Sorry, but your “entire class of people” are ALL here illegally.
Yes, but they're not ALL child molesters.

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If we can save even one child from being molested, in my opinion, it is well worth the effort. Furthermore, we won’t know the percentage of pedophiles until AFTER they have molested. Would you want your child to be sacrificed for the sake of the non-offender interlopers? I know I wouldn’t.
Oh, the old trump card. You guys complain about the race card, but you're going to play the pedophile card?

Would you support government-monitored cameras in all homes, businesses, etc (as well as all public locations)? Surely we could stop AT LEAST one pedophile with this sort of program.

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Emotional deception? No, I want our laws enforced, period. And yes, I want ALL illegal aliens, or according to you, “those people” out of my country.
what? You just played the biggest emotional trump card of all time, the THINK OF THE CHILDREN (with "PEDOPHILES!!!!" booster) card.
 
Old 08-25-2011, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Every legal immigrant does not go through the same steps as another. Is a legal immigrant that is naturalizing going to resent that I did nothing to gain my citizenship? By legalization,illegal immigrants would start on a process the same as a legal immigrant entered.
It’s strange that someone who is desperately trying to gain citizenship for his family through our legal process would be so supportive of those who flagrantly violate our immigration laws.
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