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Old 11-29-2012, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Millions have been approved after applying and waiting. That's the legal process. Sadly, millions continue to wait in their homeland while illegals are given preferential treatment for violating our laws. Of course, all cannot be approved. Those denied must accept the decision, and move on. No one has a God-given right to be granted admission to this country.
Can you source that to a specific USCIS / State Department application or process? Both you and "malamute" are alluding to an immigrant having no other qualification (like a relationship to a citizen or Legal Permanent Resident in the United States) to be able to fill out some yet-unnumbered or unnamed form to come here legally. An indication of "millions" using the process should make the search for the relevant government form much more easier.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Can you source that to a specific USCIS / State Department application or process? Both you and "malamute" are alluding to an immigrant having no other qualification (like a relationship to a citizen or Legal Permanent Resident in the United States) to be able to fill out some yet-unnumbered or unnamed form to come here legally. An indication of "millions" using the process should make the search for the relevant government form much more easier.
It is common knowledge that the US grants LPR status "on average" to 1 million foreigners per year. So, yes, "millions" have been approved, including people I know. Of course, an unskilled illiterate can't expect to be considered a benefit to this country, or one who would not become a public charge. Naturally, their chances are slim, unless they're sponsored by a relative, which is generally the case. This is one reason we need to make serious changes to family sponsorship. We don't need to import poverty and illiteracy. It's a damn shame that so many with educated and skilled relatives who could actually benefit this country must wait, while others are able to sponsor relatives who will only be a burden. Unless an adult family member has a minimum high school education and a job offer, they should not be approved. And, please quote where I mentioned "qualifications" or even the type of visa. I'll wait.

Oh, look. Mexico is the largest recipient.

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In 2011, a total of 1,062,040 persons became LPRs of the United States (see Table 1 and Figure 1). The majority of new LPRs (55 percent) already lived in the United States when they were granted lawful permanent residence. Nearly 65 percent of new LPRs were granted permanent resident status based on a family relationship with a U.S. citizen or legal permanent resident of the United States. The leading countries of birth of new LPRs were Mexico (14 percent), China (8.2 percent), and India (6.5 percent).
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...pr_fr_2011.pdf


What was that about discrimination against Mexicans? Why again, are Mexicans unable to legally enter this country? After all, at least 10% of Mexico is already living here. It shouldn't be too hard to be sponsored by a relative. Oh, that's right, the legal process takes times.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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It is common knowledge that the US grants LPR status "on average" to 1 million foreigners per year. So, yes, "millions" have been approved, including people I know. Of course, an unskilled illiterate can't expect to be considered a benefit to this country, or one who would not become a public charge. Naturally, their chances are slim, unless they're sponsored by a relative, which is generally the case. This is one reason we need to make serious changes to family sponsorship. We don't need to import poverty and illiteracy. It's a damn shame that so many with educated and skilled relatives who could actually benefit this country must wait, while others are able to sponsor relatives who will only be a burden. Unless an adult family member has a minimum high school education and a job offer, they should not be approved. And, please quote where I mentioned "qualifications" or even the type of visa. I'll wait.

Oh, look. Mexico is the largest recipient.


http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...pr_fr_2011.pdf


What was that about discrimination against Mexicans? Why again, are Mexicans unable to legally enter this country? After all, at least 10% of Mexico is already living here. It shouldn't be too hard to be sponsored by a relative. Oh, that's right, the legal process takes times.
Re-read the quote from "malamute" I was responding to:

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The kids should be sent home along with their parents. If they really did learn English and understand American culture and so on -- then they can apply to come legally and will very likely have better chances than their countrymen who never had that opportunity.

These people truly think they should be rewarded and moved to the front of the lines -- even by going back home, they would have better chances than those who never lived here -- if in fact they learned anything while here --- why isn't that enough for them?
Stop with the nationality references, literacy levels, or any other spin in response to what I am asking. I prompted him to quote the specific process he is alluding to in his post. He is suggesting that someone that has been in an illegal alien status within the United States has some sort of ability to apply legally to return, and has "better chances" solely based on their exposure to the English language and the "American culture".

I think he is heavily confusing the naturalization process (testing an applicant's English language skills and American civics knowledge) with the immigration process. How else would a knowing English and American civics qualify (with "better chances") someone for immigration? The only immigration process that does not require a familial or employment sponsor, where a potential immigrant (with no other ability to come) fills out an application for a chance, is the Diversity Lottery program.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Re-read the quote from "malamute" I was responding to:



Stop with the nationality references, literacy levels, or any other spin in response to what I am asking. I prompted him to quote the specific process he is alluding to in his post. He is suggesting that someone that has been in an illegal alien status within the United States has some sort of ability to apply legally to return, and has "better chances" solely based on their exposure to the English language and the "American culture".

I think he is heavily confusing the naturalization process (testing an applicant's English language skills and American civics knowledge) with the immigration process. How else would a knowing English and American civics qualify (with "better chances") someone for immigration? The only immigration process that does not require a familial or employment sponsor, where a potential immigrant (with no other ability to come) fills out an application for a chance, is the Diversity Lottery program.
I don't have a damn thing to do with malamute's comments. Nor, did I even allude to qualification. So, why did you state. . .
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Both you and "malamute" are alluding to an immigrant having no other qualification (like a relationship to a citizen or Legal Permanent Resident in the United States) to be able to fill out some yet-unnumbered or unnamed form to come here legally.
Why didn't you respond to what I actually wrote, which is. . .

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Originally Posted by Benicar
Millions have been approved after applying and waiting. That's the legal process. Sadly, millions continue to wait in their homeland while illegals are given preferential treatment for violating our laws. Of course, all cannot be approved. Those denied must accept the decision, and move on. No one has a God-given right to be granted admission to this country.
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