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Old 07-23-2014, 09:24 PM
 
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America needs immigrant workers. Immigrant workers cannot be issued proper work visas. Hence the situation.

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Old 07-23-2014, 09:50 PM
 
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Uh; we DON'T need even legal alien workers. It's called employers need to pay out MORE money for our kind. Too, with many unemployment bennies going away, there ARE Americans who WILL work on the farms. Not all of us are lazy asshats.
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:54 PM
 
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I'm not going to watch a 22 minute video. If you have watched it in its entirety then, please summarize it. Thank you.

Well...farmers have a guest worker visa program that they can use and it has no caps on it. Yet some sleazy farmers refuse to use it and instead hire cheap, exploitable, illegal labor.

We have the H1-B visa program that's riddled with corruption to the point where American workers are blatantly discriminated against in favor of Indians on H1-Bs.

Actually, we allow 1 million legal immigrants per year into the country, which is extremely generous. We don't need to be increasing that number. In light of the fact that we are running out of potable water plus buildable land and our infrastructure is crumbling with no money to fix it, we need to reduce legal immigration. Plus, we need to get rid of the illegal aliens.
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Old 07-23-2014, 10:36 PM
 
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America needs immigrant workers. Immigrant workers cannot be issued proper work visas. Hence the situation.

Why have humans when machines are cheaper and will not commit any crimes?
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Old 07-23-2014, 10:50 PM
 
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I'm not going to watch a 22 minute video. If you have watched it in its entirety then, please summarize it. Thank you.
It is really a great video everyone should watch.

It takes place in western NY where dairy farmers are in dire need of workers. The work is really hard and shifts work 24/7. Some guys do 16 hours a day. People get pooped on, pissed on, manure is everywhere and up your ankles.

The farmers explain no americans are willing to work at their farms therefore they have to resort to hiring illegal workers or be pushed out of business. The reporter drives to an unemployment center and proposes jobs at a dairy farm to unemployed americans and none will accept the offer but one lady. The hispanics he proposes the jobs to are willing to start asap.

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Well...farmers have a guest worker visa program that they can use and it has no caps on it. Yet some sleazy farmers refuse to use it and instead hire cheap, exploitable, illegal labor.
The visa you are referring to only covers seasonal work. Dairy farms need workers year round. They are not the only businesses in that situation, all need that legal and appropriate measures be taken that will take into account the current circumstances.

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We have the H1-B visa program that's riddled with corruption to the point where American workers are blatantly discriminated against in favor of Indians on H1-Bs.
Issues with H1-B exist but the current workforce still can't fill all advertised skilled positions. But this thread tackles mainly the issue of illegal cheap labor and its root causes. Jobs at the dairy farms pay around 10 dollars/hour. In order to attract americans farmers would be forced to double or triple that amount. As a direct consequence, the price of food would rise.

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Actually, we allow 1 million legal immigrants per year into the country, which is extremely generous. We don't need to be increasing that number. In light of the fact that we are running out of potable water plus buildable land and our infrastructure is crumbling with no money to fix it, we need to reduce legal immigration. Plus, we need to get rid of the illegal aliens.
A lot of companies rely exclusively on immigrants to fill their positions. Why not give all of their employees legal visas to work at these specific places ? Then they would pay taxes. Allowing in legal immigrants is not a matter of generosity. It is meant to meet the expectations of the economy.

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Why have humans when machines are cheaper and will not commit any crimes?
In the video one farmer bought machines after some of his crew was deported. He explains machines are a lot more expensive.
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Old 07-24-2014, 12:04 AM
 
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The visa you are referring to only covers seasonal work. Dairy farms need workers year round. They are not the only businesses in that situation, all need that legal and appropriate measures be taken that will take into account the current circumstances.
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^No excuse. If they have to hire two separate groups of people through use of the visa program, then so be it. There is NO excuse for hiring illegals.
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Issues with H1-B exist but the current workforce still can't fill all advertised skilled positions. But this thread tackles mainly the issue of illegal cheap labor and its root causes. Jobs at the dairy farms pay around 10 dollars/hour. In order to attract americans farmers would be forced to double or triple that amount. As a direct consequence, the price of food would rise.

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^This is an out and out lie. You clearly know nothing about the whole H1-B visa system. We have thousands of unemployed, experienced STEM/IT workers who are American citizens. However, they are passed over repeatedly in favor of H1-Bs.

So, if the price of dairy products goes up, it's well worth the price to rid ourselves of illegal aliens.
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In the video one farmer bought machines after some of his crew was deported. He explains machines are a lot more expensive.
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^Oh, cry me a river! Of course it's cheaper to hire cheap, exploitable, illegal labor. That doesn't give anyone an excuse to hire illegals. As Mr Retired put it, in the end Americans aren't stuck with the costs that illegals impose on our society.
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Old 07-24-2014, 12:44 AM
 
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^This is an out and out lie. You clearly know nothing about the whole H1-B visa system. We have thousands of unemployed, experienced STEM/IT workers who are American citizens. However, they are passed over repeatedly in favor of H1-Bs.
I am an IT professional. Any experienced person with valuable skills WILL find work within weeks.
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Old 07-24-2014, 01:21 AM
 
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I am an IT professional. Any experienced person with valuable skills WILL find work within weeks.
Really? I suggest that you go to the "Work and Employment" forum here on CD and have a good read.
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Old 07-24-2014, 01:39 AM
 
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I am in favor of more legal immigration. Not illegal immigration. I understand you are of hispanic descent. Hasn't your own family benefited from immigration laws ?
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Old 07-24-2014, 02:44 AM
 
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It is really a great video everyone should watch.

It takes place in western NY where dairy farmers are in dire need of workers. The work is really hard and shifts work 24/7. Some guys do 16 hours a day. People get pooped on, pissed on, manure is everywhere and up your ankles.

The farmers explain no americans are willing to work at their farms therefore they have to resort to hiring illegal workers or be pushed out of business. The reporter drives to an unemployment center and proposes jobs at a dairy farm to unemployed americans and none will accept the offer but one lady. The hispanics he proposes the jobs to are willing to start asap.
They are, just not for a unacceptable wage.

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The visa you are referring to only covers seasonal work. Dairy farms need workers year round. They are not the only businesses in that situation, all need that legal and appropriate measures be taken that will take into account the current circumstances.
With the lack of endless supply of cheap labor, people will be motivated by profile to mechanize the task.
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Issues with H1-B exist but the current workforce still can't fill all advertised skilled positions. But this thread tackles mainly the issue of illegal cheap labor and its root causes. Jobs at the dairy farms pay around 10 dollars/hour. In order to attract americans farmers would be forced to double or triple that amount. As a direct consequence, the price of food would rise.
Yeah I find that hard to believe, they just want to import low wage workers.
With the lack of endless supply of cheap labor, people will be motivated by profile to mechanize the task.

What about the cost to the tax payers who are forced to pay for the "cheap" labor? higher crime, higher taxes because the illegals dont pay property taxes, ect..



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A lot of companies rely exclusively on immigrants to fill their positions. Why not give all of their employees legal visas to work at these specific places ? Then they would pay taxes. Allowing in legal immigrants is not a matter of generosity. It is meant to meet the expectations of the economy.
Yeah we don't know more then say 150,000 immigrates added to this nation every year, and those that do better be highly skilled.

Love how you did not touch potable water plus build able land and our infrastructure that is crumbling.

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In the video one farmer bought machines after some of his crew was deported. He explains machines are a lot more expensive.
At first they are but they can run longer, harder, never get injuries, and never get deported.
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