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Old 07-08-2009, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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All I know is that Good Ol Joe won't cooperate with the Feds...and usually when people refuse to cooperate they have something to hide. Joe is on his way out


Arpaio won't cooperate with federal inquiry
Has the Dept of Justice told him what it is they are looking for? Somehow, it seems to me that law enforcement agencies aren't supposed to conduct fishing expeditions when trying to find something on someone. This sounds to me like a fishing expedition based on the words of some, probably illegal alien, trying to get Old Joe.

Have you not heard that one of those who made noise about his treatment at Gitmo and was released in 2007 is now the commander of Taliban troops in Afghanistan? It seems to me that that man should still be at Gitmo for maybe another 20 years or so. Inmates rarely really tell the truth and surely those who have been released don't necessarily tell the truth.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:00 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Because it's the dehumanization that made them criminals to begin with.
Oh, yes. Those poor misunderstood products of an uncaring society. Poor dears need hugs instead.

Yeah, right, says this former cop!

Now don't forget to get on the list to house a few with your family when they get released.

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Via humiliation, and disrespect for their person.
I DO disrespect their person (I thought "personhood" was relic of the 70s) because they have no respect for anyone else or their property rights.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Perhaps if said criminals acted like humans instead of animals it would be a bit more appropriate to treat them as humans. After all it was they who decided that laws are for the sheep and the weak not for them. I say humiliate them for that is exactly what criminals deserve.
No sir no tears from for the plight of the criminal. More power to Joe and I wish that every prison in this country would follow his example.
So...a continuation of the very kind of life that started them on the pathway? Intelligent.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Have you not heard that one of those who made noise about his treatment at Gitmo and was released in 2007 is now the commander of Taliban troops in Afghanistan? It seems to me that that man should still be at Gitmo for maybe another 20 years or so. Inmates rarely really tell the truth and surely those who have been released don't necessarily tell the truth.
If I was wrongfully imprisoned, and later released, I'd spend the rest of my life exacting my revenge on the system that imprisoned me in the first place.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Pa
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So...a continuation of the very kind of life that started them on the pathway? Intelligent.
Given the volume of repeat offenders I would hazard to guess that the give them a good life approach is a failure.
Do convicts need HBO? An olympic weight set? Cable TV?
No they need to be punished. Chain gangs work for me.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Reeds Spring, MO
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Well said Tinman. If I could rep you again I would. I have to spread the love. Tkramar, why should we give criminals more than most people in America have for free? They broke the law. They need to be rehabilitated not coddled. I agree with the chain gangs. As well as making them earn their food/board by working in fields etc.
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Old 07-08-2009, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Given the volume of repeat offenders I would hazard to guess that the give them a good life approach is a failure.
Do convicts need HBO? An olympic weight set? Cable TV?
No they need to be punished. Chain gangs work for me.
If they were actually treated with some respect--which has yet to happen--we'd see if anything changed.
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Old 07-08-2009, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Given the volume of repeat offenders I would hazard to guess that the give them a good life approach is a failure.
Do convicts need HBO? An olympic weight set? Cable TV?
No they need to be punished. Chain gangs work for me.
As you stated.

And; here in Arizona, the chain gang is a 'plum assignment' for our inmates, believe it or not.
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Old 07-08-2009, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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If I was wrongfully imprisoned, and later released, I'd spend the rest of my life exacting my revenge on the system that imprisoned me in the first place.
Then the 'system' will destroy you------------permanently.

Assuming that you did not go through legal channels for redress.
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Old 07-09-2009, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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^Not without me exacting some measure of revenge upon them.

"Oops, sorry." is insufficient.
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