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Latin America never had this movement (or not at any level similar to America or South Africa) and that is why you find blacks as white Latin American's puppets. That is why you hear stories about people ''scrubbing'' their skin. They need to be heard and should be proud of the way they look and their roots. Even if America has gone about this with much ignorance, at least they've taken the interest into liberating. Latin America will never overcome this until their government's apologize for slavery and take the initiative to equalize all, which both the U.S. and South Africa needs to progress in doing as well.
For the record:
Aside from Affirmative Action (which should be illegal); there is no legally sanctioned racism in this country anymore.
By far the biggest problems affecting so-called 'minorities' in this country along with many lower class Whites start with their upbringing by their families------------not society.
That argument can also be used as to so why many 'rich kids' turn out bad-----their so-called parents/guardians are too busy chasing the buck to actually raise their children.
A German Mexican (German: Deutsch-Mexikaner or Deutsch-Mexikanisch, Spanish: germano-mexicano or aleman-mexicano) is a Mexican citizen of German descent or origin. Germans first arrived in Mexico during the mid to late 1800s.
The German settlement in Mexico goes back to the times they settled Texas when it was under Spanish rule, but the first permanent settlement of Germans was at Industry, in Austin County, established by Friedrich Ernst and Charles Fordtran in the early 1830s, then under Mexican rule. Ernst wrote a letter to a friend in his native Oldenburg which was published in the newspaper there. His description of Texas was so influential in attracting German immigrants to that area that he is remembered as "The Father of German Immigration to Texas." The Germans, especially Roman Catholics who sided with Mexico, left Texas for the rest of present-day Mexico after Americans defeated Mexicans in Mexican War in 1846. After 9 years, 213 German-speaking people, (men, women, and children), from Hamburg were brought specifically to the village of Nohcacab in 1865. This was a project of foreign colonization promoted during the reign of Emperor Maximilian I of Mexico with the governing body of the state of Yucatan. The majority of these people were farmers and craftsmen: wheelwrights, shoemakers, cabinet makers, etc.
Homes in the town of Nueva Alemania resemble the architectural style of northern Germany, and many of this area's settlers came from the cities of Hamburg, Bremen, and Lubeck. In San Luis Potosi, Sinaloa (Mazatlan) and Veracruz, settlers from Bavaria built structures similar to those found in the Black Forest. The German Cultural Center building in San Luis Potosi is a Bavarian mansion that had been owned by the Baron of Baden-Baden. Oktoberfest is usually held in several large cities with German-Mexican communities throughout the country. German Mexicans were important in the development of the Mexican cheese industry and brewing industries. Also of note, the Alexander von Humboldt school in Mexico City is the largest German school outside Germany.
A German Mexican (German: Deutsch-Mexikaner or Deutsch-Mexikanisch, Spanish: germano-mexicano or aleman-mexicano) is a Mexican citizen of German descent or origin. Germans first arrived in Mexico during the mid to late 1800s.
The German settlement in Mexico goes back to the times they settled Texas when it was under Spanish rule, but the first permanent settlement of Germans was at Industry, in Austin County, established by Friedrich Ernst and Charles Fordtran in the early 1830s, then under Mexican rule. Ernst wrote a letter to a friend in his native Oldenburg which was published in the newspaper there. His description of Texas was so influential in attracting German immigrants to that area that he is remembered as "The Father of German Immigration to Texas." The Germans, especially Roman Catholics who sided with Mexico, left Texas for the rest of present-day Mexico after Americans defeated Mexicans in Mexican War in 1846. After 9 years, 213 German-speaking people, (men, women, and children), from Hamburg were brought specifically to the village of Nohcacab in 1865. This was a project of foreign colonization promoted during the reign of Emperor Maximilian I of Mexico with the governing body of the state of Yucatan. The majority of these people were farmers and craftsmen: wheelwrights, shoemakers, cabinet makers, etc.
Homes in the town of Nueva Alemania resemble the architectural style of northern Germany, and many of this area's settlers came from the cities of Hamburg, Bremen, and Lubeck. In San Luis Potosi, Sinaloa (Mazatlan) and Veracruz, settlers from Bavaria built structures similar to those found in the Black Forest. The German Cultural Center building in San Luis Potosi is a Bavarian mansion that had been owned by the Baron of Baden-Baden. Oktoberfest is usually held in several large cities with German-Mexican communities throughout the country. German Mexicans were important in the development of the Mexican cheese industry and brewing industries. Also of note, the Alexander von Humboldt school in Mexico City is the largest German school outside Germany.
And; under US law, said 'German Mexicans' as just as Hispanic as any 'brown' Mestizo from there-------which likely would make MEChA gag.
Aside from Affirmative Action (which should be illegal); there is no legally sanctioned racism in this country anymore.
By far the biggest problems affecting so-called 'minorities' in this country along with many lower class Whites start with their upbringing by their families------------not society.
That argument can also be used as to so why many 'rich kids' turn out bad-----their so-called parents/guardians are too busy chasing the buck to actually raise their children.
VERY inflammatory, but I'll agree with this. There is NO area of modern American society that is "closed" to anyone because of ethnicity. Increasingly, the problems of minorities (and they ARE problems) have more and more to do with self-inflicted bad behavior, bad choices, and lack of discipline, and less and less to do with outside prejudice.
Aside from Affirmative Action (which should be illegal); there is no legally sanctioned racism in this country anymore.
By far the biggest problems affecting so-called 'minorities' in this country along with many lower class Whites start with their upbringing by their families------------not society.
That argument can also be used as to so why many 'rich kids' turn out bad-----their so-called parents/guardians are too busy chasing the buck to actually raise their children.''
Well, I agree that the upbringing is more influential. However, I do believe our society is supporting of racism. Some parts of the country are much more than others (i.e. New York City), but the fact is no one would be saying the word ''minorities'' if it wasn't for the media. The media could make up anything they want and anyone could believe it without questioning it. If the media told everyone oreos had poison in them, I guarantee people would believe it lol
Affirmative action is a disgrace. Even if you are individually looking to advance your educational or economical situation, anyone who has voluntarily participated in such a program should feel like less of a human being than the rest of society. Or at least someone who ignorantly can't think for themselves and has been taken advantage of at their own will. The biggest part was destroyed (quotas), but the fact that we still have thing's like this such as government organizations funding scholarships based on how you look is an purely an old world promoting ideological disgrace.
I don't believe Americans do a good enough job at raising their kid's to think for themselves. Too many go through the motions and can't think on their own. Even though all the technology and education out there, the general consensus don't feel the social obligation to bettering their society. We are too caught up in things that don't matter that we become vulnerable and lose our voices to dictator's like George W. Bush. Than we end up doing jobs (like retail jobs or accounting) that we could care less for.
We basically take what is given to us and work within those lines. We don't question the right way anymore. All people do is protest for the sake of protesting, whine, complain and go through the motions. We're all individuals who are slipping behind the rest of the modern world.
To anyone who believes they're apart of the socially constructed term ''minority'', think of it like this. If you believe this, you're only doing so because you're told (especially if you're within the gray territory of the American systems rules). The only way to separate any identity is by fully assimilating into Americanism, and depleting all of the collective traits that come before. For Latin American immigrants (who are technically consider ''minorities'' in this country), this is usually not that difficult to do.
For most middle-class African-Americans, Asian immigrants, Asian immigrants, West Indians and African immigrants this usually isn't a problem. There are societal aspects we all can't deny such as the contiunance of marrying those who look like ourselves, but it doesn't mean that you should have more black friends, because you're black. Or white, because you're white.
Some may believe that we'd have to fight to have a ''diverse'' core of friends, but this isn't true. Under most circumstances, this usually isn't a problem for people who come from families that make at least mediocre salaries, but it's true for the rest. If I go into Manhattan, and 8 whites are hanging out together, that to me is disgusting. Even if they aren't from the city, I doubt the suburb they came from is that white.
American-born whites don't do this on purpose. Few would say no to not being friend s with someone because they don't look like them (unless they were low-class and racist - which isn't common here). The polarization comes when other groups isolate themselves. Some reasons are more acceptable than others, but if we are all to be legal American citizens, than this isn't excusable by any measure.
So the next time any of you go to a mall that is 10-15 percent black (especially if the surrounding area has similar demography) and you see a pack of 11 black kid's together, if you assumed they were low-class and poor (if they weren't related or by an outside shot - coincidental) you'd be right to consider them both lower-middle class/poor and socially low-class. Money is the indicator for diverisfying.
If you delete all the factions that come within the lines of differences, than you'd be depleting the entire integrity of the term ''minority'' and the collectivistic ideal that this society judges you for (and steals your individualism that whites without a challenge receive and take for granted). Dollar bill signs are the indicator for this. When this happens, than we will see much more mixing, less stereotypes and other unnecessary baggage.
The term Hispanic does nothing more than blur the vision of all American citizens be equal as one. It makes people believe (or tries to) that they're different for reasons they can't control that are politically subjected to. That is why I say anyone who continues to use the term Hispanic (or minorities) may not be ill-minded, but rather not thinking independently nor intellectually. If you continue to use a weapon passed down by a criminal, you'll be spreading crime without even realizing it.
All who have pointed out about non-Spaniard Latin American immigration do make a good point. Although most Latin American descendants are of Spaniard descent within Spanish speaking countries, there are some traces of other European nationalities (i.e. French, Italian, German), as well as Asians that would disprove one national ethnicity or race for a region of over 10 percent of the world (nonetheless one country). These countries aren't different than America as far as diversity is concerned.
Both America and Latin America are apart of the western hemisphere, so this shouldn't be a shock to anyone. There was European colinization, massive killings and rapings of Native Americans and African enslavement all over this hemisphere. Just because different European countries had different philosophies on imperialism doesn't mean the facts that come about at the end of the day don't look alike.
All who have pointed out about non-Spaniard Latin American immigration do make a good point. Although most Latin American descendants are of Spaniard descent within Spanish speaking countries, there are some traces of other European nationalities (i.e. French, Italian, German), as well as Asians that would disprove one national ethnicity or race for a region of over 10 percent of the world (nonetheless one country). These countries aren't different than America as far as diversity is concerned.
Both America and Latin America are apart of the western hemisphere, so this shouldn't be a shock to anyone. There was European colinization, massive killings and rapings of Native Americans and African enslavement all over this hemisphere. Just because different European countries had different philosophies on imperialism doesn't mean the facts that come about at the end of the day don't look alike.
The Japanese did a 'good' job of all of the above in Asia prior/during WW II-----and, last time I checked, ethnic Japanese people are not usually counted as 'White'
Too the extremist Hutu's raped/murdered many Tutsi/moderate Hutus over in Rwanda in 1994...........to you or me, they would all be 'Black' folks.
Both America and Latin America are apart of the western hemisphere, so this shouldn't be a shock to anyone. There was European colinization, massive killings and rapings of Native Americans and African enslavement all over this hemisphere. Just because different European countries had different philosophies on imperialism doesn't mean the facts that come about at the end of the day don't look alike.
I believe the only reason that gets brought up is from "white guilt". In Mexico for example the Aztecs persecuted their neighbors, they sacrificed them, enslaved them and cannibalized them. But -- they didn't feel any guilt for doing so.
In Africa, it was Arab slave traders who sold African slaves captured for them by other Africans. The thing is -- they don't feel any guilt for this past. Not the Arabs, not the Africans who sold their brothers into slavery -- only it's doubtful they saw them as brothers but members of an enemy tribe.
Europeans were the ones who looked at slavery first as something wrong. And in Mexico, the Spaniards were assisted by certain Indian groups in bringing down the rule of the Aztecs. It wasn't so much that common myth that the Indians thought the Spaniards were gods but that they saw them as useful allies in stopping Aztec persecution of them. And why not -- when one group of people wants to capture you and drag you up a pyramid to cut out your beating heart to offer their god, and the other group is insisting that human sacrifice is wrong -- which is the sensible choice?
''The Japanese did a 'good' job of all of the above in Asia prior/during WW II-----and, last time I checked, ethnic Japanese people are not usually counted as 'White' ''
I completely agree. In fact, one country that's imperialism was either limited or none on the western hemisphere was Russia (Soviet Union). Although they didn't spread imperialism in the sense of people moving from point A to point B or taking over of land (outside of pre-1867 Alaska). They did spread their communism to Cuba though. They also spread their views on socialism have also made their way to much of south America. Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong killed many people. Possibly more than Hitler. Stalin would randomly pick out people and send them out to Siberia to die simply just to instill fear.
As far as western imperialism went though, it was mostly in the hands of the Spanish, English, French, Dutch and a couple other groups. With the exception of mostly black caribbean islands, the views of beauty and public imagery is centered around whiteness. The black caribbean islands still do have education systems, religion, views upon materialistic goods and modernization that relates to the ideas of people who were never their ancestors.
I'm not saying oppression, killing or torchering didn't occur in other parts of the world. In fact, from what ever learned with Rwanda and the Holocaust, it may have been worst over there. The way of life from Europe spread its way to become a societal extension of it. Most traits we see on this hemisphere come from Europe, Africa and Asia. It's not to say that the visions of the indigenous on this hemisphere doesn't have influence on our modern day lives (i.e The land, calendars, Math, Astronomy). From the descendants though of the old world though, a new version of that was to come about.
What I'm saying is the way how we see life in America on a historical perspective shouldn't be viewed upon too differently than Latin America. Even if the philosophies on philosophy, religion and how to spread their respective visions were different, the general overview of what their goals weren't that much different. It was about money and cultural power. This came with difficult economic measures. Both viewed that African slaves served that. And culturally, the indigenous who weren't willing to adapt to the Spaniard's ways of life. The English/American kept their space, but when push came to shove to fulfill manifest destiny, we all know who won.
Basically, both whites in this country and Latin America spread both their good and bad aspects of their visions and ways of life. For what was good for them though, wasn't so good for others. It may not appear that way to do, but we shouldn't forget this. Personally, I don't think Latin Americans disagree with this. I believe their system influences them to ignore it. However, many Americans simply can't get past thinking of Latin Americans as immigrants to the United States who are often represented as the ''oppressed'' or ''behind'', because of their economic situation as foreigners in this country. And also because the media intertwines them with blacks so often, or jumbo-sizing them into the term ''minorities.''
Any educated person would know this all isn't true though. More of us need to know that Latin America is not except from the same measures this media creates in what is known as ''white guilt.'' It's ironic, because most in the media are white, but they know it's politically powerful and marketable. They aren't consider about political correctness or promoting of an intellectual society. The government wants this, but lets the media do the dirty work for them. The media doesn't have a problem with this because it helps big-name corporations make money. Race grabs peoples attention, because they believe it's controversial.
The government and states run the education and history departments, and we know more than well that they mention slavery. How much is mentioned about Latin American enslavement though? It's like we're taught that is above our head and the only people capable of studying such a ''complex'' system would have to be in college education (and possibly be a History major). Yet, I know from communicating with other's that American slavery actually is taught more than Latin American slavery in our country. Isn't this weird, considering we're much more educated than most of Latin America?
If I were to tell people in New York City that 6.2 percent of New York City claimed to be of white-Puerto Rican descent, they might just be baffled by that. Even if they understood that though, it's like most would believe they're in the ''gray category.'' Why should they believe this? Most of their ancestors were the oppressors. How many people know that their ancestors arrived in the 1600's and 1700's to Puerto Rico, and in between now and than, obviously much slavery existed. New York City is also 5 percent Dominican (29% claims to be white - although that number could be increased because of the influences of American society saying to choose - so I'll say 17%, which is what the DR is).
That means between 6.2% plus 0.85%, over 7 percent of New York City's ancestors could be compared to the slave-owning racism ancestors of the deep south. If you thought about all this, it wouldn't be so hard to put together. It's not like meeting people of these descents in this city isn't common. Even for the minimal Euro-American population, ''white guilt'' is beyond accelerated in this city because of our media and sub-culture. People are constantly thinking about both race and ethnicity too. Why is this so hard to put together? Even many people of Latin American descent don't know this. People often associate Puerto Ricans (when they did exist or for the delusional who believe they do) and Dominicans with African-Americans too. Even beyond their situations being irrelevant to one another, wouldn't it seem ironic after I described all of what I just did?
Just because many people in Latin America are mixed doesn't mean every person. Those who are white (or mostly white) should be held historically accountable for these misdeeds, just as our country chooses to disgrace southerners with. Obviously, I know that isn't apart of their culture, so I'm not saying we should spread this upon them (unlike how our president feels with the style of government Iraq should have). This has left Latin American culture with a disgusting lingering taste (and especially to the educated who choose not to ignore and look at with a non-bias international view). People might want to ignore because they don't want to feel disgraced, but understanding your own history can make you a better man than being to proud.
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