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Old 06-18-2018, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Houston
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This is so heartbreaking and sick.

A Texas sheriff's deputy was being held Monday on a charge of "super aggravated sexual assault" of a 4-year-old girl after authorities say her mother, an undocumented immigrant, was being blackmailed to stay silent about the abuse — or face deportation.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...f-says-n884176
That’s an “orphaned” comment and has nothing to do with the actual topic.
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:56 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Canada is debating stopping the safe third country agreement that applies to asylum seekers because it requires that border countries hold the same values. Canada's values require that when processing asylum seekers, the best interests of the children are most important. Since the USA no longer holds this value, the safe third country rule no longer applies.
Taking children from parents who intentionally endangered them is a normal reaction. Remove the child from danger.
These parents pass through several countries, one of which a fellow NAFTA country. It wasn't about safety for themselves or their children. It was about the benefits and freebies the USA offers in comparison to what Mexico and bellow offers.
If Canada wants to back out that is fine, but as many have said, Canada really needs the USA more than the USA needs them.
I like Canada, detest Trudeau. I detest Trump as well. Canada has been a good neighbor for a very long time. I like to think that it's been mutual. The issue is the Third country in North America..
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:09 PM
 
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These kids are basically in a boarding school, all expenses paid by us. When I was a kid I wanted to go to boarding school but we were too poor. We have so many poor American kids who don't live in half as nice a place as the detention facilities. I heard we are paying $34K per illegal child.
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:38 PM
 
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Taking children from parents who intentionally endangered them is a normal reaction. Remove the child from danger.
These parents pass through several countries, one of which a fellow NAFTA country. It wasn't about safety for themselves or their children. It was about the benefits and freebies the USA offers in comparison to what Mexico and bellow offers.
If Canada wants to back out that is fine, but as many have said, Canada really needs the USA more than the USA needs them.
I like Canada, detest Trudeau. I detest Trump as well. Canada has been a good neighbor for a very long time. I like to think that it's been mutual. The issue is the Third country in North America..
No. There is no justifiable reason for traumatizing children. Something is very wrong with the White House. There are 2000 children, and their parents, and 350 million people are whining and complaining about having to provide aid because it will cost each of them a few pennies. It's absolutely disgusting. Rather than pay a few pennies, it is preferable to traumatize children.

Trump's people need to realize that when they decide to travel this summer, every country in the world is going to be very wary of what sort of people they are. They will be tolerated at best. Trump's people need to understand that these decisions will have a very long lasting negative impact.
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:57 PM
 
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No. There is no justifiable reason for traumatizing children. Something is very wrong with the White House. There are 2000 children, and their parents, and 350 million people are whining and complaining about having to provide aid because it will cost each of them a few pennies. It's absolutely disgusting. Rather than pay a few pennies, it is preferable to traumatize children.

Trump's people need to realize that when they decide to travel this summer, every country in the world is going to be very wary of what sort of people they are. They will be tolerated at best. Trump's people need to understand that these decisions will have a very long lasting negative impact.
Everyday, there are Americans who commit crimes and go to jail. They are separated from their kids. Where is your outrage about that?

Do you think that the US should have no immigration laws and a wide open border? Do you think that we should allow illegal aliens to take advantage of us?
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Old 06-19-2018, 12:04 AM
 
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Everyday, there are Americans who commit crimes and go to jail. They are separated from their kids. Where is your outrage about that?

Do you think that the US should have no immigration laws and a wide open border? Do you think that we should allow illegal aliens to take advantage of us?
I didn't realize that when Trump's people are arrested, their children are put in detention centers. Does that work as a deterrent to prevent Trump's people from committing crimes?

I think Trump needs to stop his people from illegally entering other countries. Clearly there's a problem with the White House that people are fleeing North and illegally entering Canada. Canada needs to build a wall, and Trump's people need to pay for it.

Trump's people whine all day about people entering their borders illegally, but arrogantly believe it is their right to enter Canada illegally.

Are you comfortable with Canada yanking children out of the arms of people from the USA and tossing them into a detention center, or is it only okay when the families are not from the USA?
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Old 06-19-2018, 12:22 AM
 
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Everyday, there are Americans who commit crimes and go to jail. They are separated from their kids. Where is your outrage about that?
You're wrong. I have responded to this nonsense 3 or 4 times in this thread. When someone is arrested they usually post bail or are released on their own recognizance, it's very unusual for them to be confined in jail until they are sentenced. But in any case, police officers always make an attempt to find a relative or friend who can care for the child. The kid is not sent off to a detention center. If no responsible adult is found then CPS gets involved and if they can't locate someone who can care for the child the child is placed in a foster home, the foster parents are directed to maintain contact through phone calls and visits with the incarcerated parent.

See the difference?
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Old 06-19-2018, 12:25 AM
 
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I have to stop and wonder how a mother with a baby, an infant, six months or younger. . . Can make that trip from their country and worry about their health and healing as well as the baby. . . On a trip like that. . . What, thousands of miles? And they do it without possessions, hopefully diapers and the means to care for the baby. I can't imagine breast feeding an infant under those conditions, on the run, not knowing where you'll end up or where your next meal is. Gambling your life for . . . What. Escape?

I understand life is horrible in their own country, unsafe, gangs, or lack of basic needs. But. You didn't leave when you were pregnant, you left after the baby arrived. I can't comprehend why someone would do this. In the summer. When record temps are in the triple digits and people die of heat stroke. It doesn't make sense. What young mother would risk her and her baby's life like this? Insane.

Unless they're plants. Now that I can see.
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Old 06-19-2018, 12:32 AM
 
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Here are photos released by CBP of detainees, including children who are separated from their parents, now tell me how they aren't in cages and how they might like it so much that they won't want to go back to their parents

https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/sta...79899806523393
They were using those same detention facilities under the Obama Admin, just a different outcome. At that time they wouldn't allow photos inside, either. The public health workers had to sign a disclosure where they wouldn't talk to the public about what went on behind those walls. (The diseases they were bringing in, the informal way people were separated for those that were contagious, those that weren't and those that had fatal diseases). I remember reading up on social media, those in TX were kept up to date.
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Old 06-19-2018, 01:37 AM
 
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I didn't realize that when Trump's people are arrested, their children are put in detention centers. Does that work as a deterrent to prevent Trump's people from committing crimes?

I think Trump needs to stop his people from illegally entering other countries. Clearly there's a problem with the White House that people are fleeing North and illegally entering Canada. Canada needs to build a wall, and Trump's people need to pay for it.

Trump's people whine all day about people entering their borders illegally, but arrogantly believe it is their right to enter Canada illegally.

Are you comfortable with Canada yanking children out of the arms of people from the USA and tossing them into a detention center, or is it only okay when the families are not from the USA?
"Trump's people"? What are you talking about?

Your whole post doesn't make any sense. Who thinks it's right to enter Canada or any country illegally? Do you have a link to back up anything you say? If so, post it.

You also don't get that those adults who are being separated from the kids didn't present themselves at a border checkpoint. Instead, they were caught sneaking into this country.

You also know that there is concern as to whether these children really belong to the adults who brought them here. Child trafficking is a big problem. For all we know, the person with the child is a coyote who was paid to bring the child here.

You never answered my question. Does it bother you when American citizens commit crimes and go to jail thus being separated from their children?
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