Threat from illegals - Patagonia, Elgin, Sonoita area

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by OTB

Tell that to the family of rancher Robert Krentz, who went out to help who he thought was an illegal in distress and was murdered.

Tell that to the Park Services employee who was reputed to always carry extra water and food for illegals and was rewarded by having her head bashed in, suffering permanent brain damage, and her truck stolen while she stopped to perform her duties.

Tell that to the woman a couple of armed illegals tried to hijack in the Sierra Vista area a couple of weeks ago.

Tell that to the elderly woman who was beat up in a home invasion by illegals in the Sonoita area also couple of weeks ago.

MOST incidents never are reported in the news.

Yeah..not reported for a reason: what you’re saying is more hyperbole than anything else. I live on this border, and people literally blame EVERY horrific crime on illegals. I let it go in one ear and out the other.

Not interested.

[teddyearp]

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

Yeah..not reported for a reason: what you’re saying is more hyperbole than anything else. I live on this border, and people literally blame EVERY horrific crime on illegals. I let it go in one ear and out the other.

Not interested.

I suppose in some strange way you are correct. They may not actually be illegal immigrants, just temporary interlopers. At least in Robert Krentz case. The tracks led straight back across the border.

[Oldglory]

Speaking of hyperbole I think someone is stretching the truth that most people are literally blaming every horrific crime on illegals. However, why defend them at all? They are violating our immigration laws and causing all sorts of problems on and within our borders for our country and our citizens.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

I suppose in some strange way you are correct. They may not actually be illegal immigrants, just temporary interlopers. At least in Robert Krentz case. The tracks led straight back across the border.

Crossing the Arizona border down here by foot in Cochise County is HARD coming from Mexico. Crossing back over by foot isn’t much easier. It’s literally swarming with Border Patrol in SUV’s, ATV’s, foot patrols and horseback. Not to mention the motion sensors that are all along the line before you get to the fence.

Sorry, but it just ain’t logical to postulate that people would run these risks just to commit petty crimes only to have to run one of the toughest gauntlets on the continent to get back to Mexico. That makes not a lick of sense. If illegals are going to commit a murder, they may as well keep going north.

The Krentz case is unsolved and the best any law enforcement organization has ever been able to come up with is that MAYBE he was killed by drug smugglers. Huge bundles of marijuana were found on his property days before his death. But down here in the County, there are a million theories on what may have happened in his case. Drug smugglers obviously have American contacts, and they could’ve killed him even easier than any illegal Mexican could’ve. Lots of drug dealers live in Douglas and the surrounding areas. If he’s messing with their money, why do you think it had to me Mexicans who killed him?

In any case, that was back in 2010 and it’s a case that had particular extenuating circumstances. Let’s not portray it as some everyday thing.

[teddyearp]

Who said anyone was portraying it as an everyday event? What is being said, at least about Robert Krentz, and you almost admit it, is that if they want to, drug cartels can and will act on this side of the border with impunity. And perhaps the concern arises since Robert Krentz was murdered while our current President was Vice-President, as the former border policy of Krentz' time is back. In more force than ever before. Maybe you missed the memo. ILLEGAL border crossings are at a TWENTY year high.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

Who said anyone was portraying it as an everyday event? What is being said, at least about Robert Krentz, and you almost admit it, is that if they want to, drug cartels can and will act on this side of the border with impunity. And perhaps the concern arises since Robert Krentz was murdered while our current President was Vice-President, as the former border policy of Krentz' time is back. In more force than ever before. Maybe you missed the memo. ILLEGAL border crossings are at a TWENTY year high.

That’s nonsense, and if Krentz said or implied that the cartels can operate in this country with impunity, he lied and didn’t know what he’s talking about.

Cartels CANNOT operate in the United States with impunity by any stretch of the imagination. Chapo Guzman will spend the rest of his life in ADX Florence...a fate that no cartel member wants any part of. They not only cannot operate here with impunity, but they aren’t even interested in doing so. Cartels want nothing more than the best drug routes coming over the border where they can handoff the goods to their American counterparts. Operating within the United States is dangerous, stupid, and unnecessarily risky. They make billions without cutting out the middle man who takes the lion’s share of the risk, and even if they cut the middle man out to deal directly with the street dealers, they extra money isn’t worth coming up on the radar of American law enforcement. Cartels already have more money than they can spend in a lifetime.

As for Krentz himself, again, NO ONE knows what happened to him. It’s an open case, and it’s likely to remain unresolved. Locals could have killed him, or maybe drug dealers from Pima or Maricopa Counties decided that they’d had enough of him. Maybe a normal American trespasser killed him when Krentz approached him. No one will ever know IMO.

Illegal crossings are at a 20 year high? Okay. And? So 20 years ago, they were just as high and the country didn’t collapse, did it? We’ll be fine. The border is a fluid situation. The numbers will go back down and they’ll go back up again too...maybe to a 30 year high. Until Mexico becomes the kind of stable democracy that can somehow foster a middle class instead of being the plutocracy that’s it’s been for its whole history, this situation will remain volatile, and the United States will be susceptible to the results of the economic vicissitudes of Central American societal breakdown.

[teddyearp]

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

That’s nonsense, and if Krentz said or implied that the cartels can operate in this country with impunity, he lied and didn’t know what he’s talking about.

Cartels CANNOT operate in the United States with impunity by any stretch of the imagination.

They can't? Is that your final answer? Take a look at this and perhaps you may want to revisit your opinion:


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marijua...l-cultivation/