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Old 12-09-2018, 08:13 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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They will be citizens of their parent's homeland. They don't need a pathway for that. If the 14th is ever interpreted the way it should be it won't be retroactive anyway. It will only apply to anyone born after that.
A stateless society that will apply to every birth there after. Any time any one does anything, state or fed related, they would have to (show their papers) prove residency in order to get it done.

While I believe everyone should be able to take their tax dollars and leave, I don't think the government will get on board with that, since the IRS today requires 'all citizens of the u.s' to pay their taxes, no matter what country they take up residency.

There is a set of dominoes in play that once they begin to topple, they're just going to keep going until they all fall.
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Old 12-09-2018, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Birth Right Citizenship is like most any other "welfare" type law that started with good intentions and are now being used and abused by far too many.



I think ending it is a good idea.
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Old 12-10-2018, 05:33 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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President Trump and many millions of Americans want to end birthright citizenship. There I fixed the title.
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Old 12-11-2018, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I agree that there are too many people coming here to have an anchor baby. We have Indian friends that have been here for ten years and are on the path way to citizenship. It takes years to become a citizen. They had a child born here 6 years ago. Does that make her any less American than anyone else born here because her parents weren't born here? I say no. She is American in every sense. The problem comes with people coming here specifically to give birth. That needs to end. It's not just brown people. Read about the Russian's and birth tourism flocking to Miami. The Chinese love California. You'll never hear anything about that coming from the Trump administration. He needs his political boogeyman to keep the base riled. It ALL needs to end.
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Old 12-11-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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They will be citizens of their parent's homeland..............
And if one is Brazilian and the other Mexican?
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Old 12-11-2018, 03:02 PM
 
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And if one is Brazilian and the other Mexican?

Dual citizenship.
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Old 12-11-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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I agree that there are too many people coming here to have an anchor baby. We have Indian friends that have been here for ten years and are on the path way to citizenship. It takes years to become a citizen. They had a child born here 6 years ago. Does that make her any less American than anyone else born here because her parents weren't born here? I say no. She is American in every sense. The problem comes with people coming here specifically to give birth. That needs to end. It's not just brown people. Read about the Russian's and birth tourism flocking to Miami. The Chinese love California. You'll never hear anything about that coming from the Trump administration. He needs his political boogeyman to keep the base riled. It ALL needs to end.
You don't understand what an "anchor baby" is. It's a baby born to an illegal alien or a woman who comes here as a tourist just to give birth to her baby.

If your Indian friends have been in this country legally and on a path to citizenship, then their child isn't an anchor baby.
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Old 12-11-2018, 05:03 PM
 
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You don't understand what an "anchor baby" is. It's a baby born to an illegal alien or a woman who comes here as a tourist just to give birth to her baby.

If your Indian friends have been in this country legally and on a path to citizenship, then their child isn't an anchor baby.
Also, contrary to what is being claimed Trump has addressed ending birth tourism and rightly so. Someone coming here on a visa to visit should not be able to claim their newborn as a birthright citizen. They aren't legal immigrants residing here permanently even though they came here legally.
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Old 12-12-2018, 08:29 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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And if one is Brazilian and the other Mexican?
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Dual citizenship.
There ya go.
Two words, and the problem is solved - except that we have a person born in the US, who speaks only English, who will never become a citizen and the only passport she can ever get is in some language she doesn't speak.
On top of that, any person considering marrying this Outlander must be careful because a child born to an illegal is still an illegal. So here I come. I fall in love with this beautiful girl, we get married but our child is not an American. So when I take that important assignment in Australia I must go alone because I am the only one in my family who can get a passport. On top of that, my child (a girl) can, herself, never have children who are citizens.
It actually sounds like a scenario created by a bureaucracy driven by populist themes.
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Old 12-12-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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There ya go.
Two words, and the problem is solved - except that we have a person born in the US, who speaks only English, who will never become a citizen and the only passport she can ever get is in some language she doesn't speak.
On top of that, any person considering marrying this Outlander must be careful because a child born to an illegal is still an illegal. So here I come. I fall in love with this beautiful girl, we get married but our child is not an American. So when I take that important assignment in Australia I must go alone because I am the only one in my family who can get a passport. On top of that, my child (a girl) can, herself, never have children who are citizens.
It actually sounds like a scenario created by a bureaucracy driven by populist themes.

A child living with their parents from birth won't learn the native language of their parents? How do they communicate then? They may learn English when they go to schools but they would still know their native language.


According to the PC interpretation of the 14th Amendment a child born from illegal alien parents is not considered to be an illegal alien. Actually, if they have at least one citizen parent they would be birthright citizens. You're really not understanding this issue.


Most countries don't recognize babies born from illegal aliens as birthright citizens or they at least require that one parent be a citizen. How do they handle it? It doesn't seem to be a problem in those countries.
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