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France, Germany, the UK, etc have all allowed large numbers of immigrants, or refugees, to come in. Hungary is an easy place to go to.
How can ethnic Europeans survive if their countries are flooded with non Europeans. The same with the Japanese. All cultures and Races are worth preserving. It seems the white race is not worthy of saving because of past wrongs. Hardly seems fair.
Well, of course, you don't care what happens in the future.
So, what do we do? No more farming? How are we going to feed an ever growing population?
Unlike you, I care about the future as I have grandkids.
Everyday, the US gets more and more overcrowded. You don't get that not all land is buildable land. Either the soil is not conducive to building or there is no water source there.
What do you mean by "no more farming"? I did not say that. I said to stop farming inappropriate crops in areas where water is an issue. There is no reason for water intensive crops like rice, cotton, alfalfa, almonds, etc to be grown in California or Arizona. They are grown there now either because of high profit margins or to support the cattle industry. That needs to stop, and right now. Farmers need to adapt to reality of less water and higher costs for the water. Stop wasteful irrigation practices like center pivot sprinklers where a significant amount of water evaporates before hitting the ground, or field flooding from canals.
The US will need more immigrants at some point. That's just a fact.
It's no easy task to do so but many other countries have worked to improve things.
Instead of working to better themselves (many from the banana republics are functionally illiterate and there is no excuse for that). They can start by educating themselves and their children. Yet so many refuse to do so.
We can't take in the entire third world without descending into third world status ourselves.
So...when do you plan to join the Peace Corps since you are so concerned about these countries/
How do you fix a country where a corrupt government kills you, doesn't provide any real education, and allows criminals to control large areas of cities?
I'm too old to join the Peace Corps. I'll leave that to you. I've lived in third world counties, and did my share of helping then.
How do you fix a country where a corrupt government kills you, doesn't provide any real education, and allows criminals to control large areas of cities?
I'm too old to join the Peace Corps. I'll leave that to you. I've lived in third world counties, and did my share of helping then.
How old is too old? Miss Lillian joined when she was 68.
^^^^It will need no such thing. That's just a fact.
Unless, you want the US to look like India with over 1 billion people.
I'm for a smaller population to fit a smaller economy much healthier for everyone. However, that poster saying that at some point we will need more immigrants has nothing to do with the flood of illegal aliens coming here for decades now We don't need those people as they are a burden to our society.
In the future if we need more immigrants they must come legally and with skills and an education not cheap labor for the elite while we pick up the tab for their enormous social costs.
I'm for a smaller population to fit a smaller economy much healthier for everyone. However, that poster saying that at some point we will need more immigrants has nothing to do with the flood of illegal aliens coming here for decades now We don't need those people as they are a burden to our society.
In the future if we need more immigrants they must come legally and with skills and an education not cheap labor for the elite while we pick up the tab for their enormous social costs.
This planet and its inhabitants would be much better off if its human population was reduced by 75 per cent. Finite resources + infinite populations = disaster. But I digress; sorry.
I agree that posters who say the U.S. "needs" more immigrants has nothing to do with the millions of illegal aliens who enter the U.S. Those are two separate subjects that pro-illegals try to combine as the same thing.
The US is not overcrowded at all. The water shortages are caused more by inappropriate ag use than anything else. There is no reason for any cotton, alfalfa, or rice to be grown in California or Arizona.
There are at least two reasons. If they couldn't sell it, they wouldn't grow it. If they can sell it that is one reason right there. If people buy it, someone needs it, and that is reason number two. Your failure to recognize the need isn't the same as there being no need.
Maybe you don't really grasp the AG industry? They are business people and not just hobby farmers. By nature they do little without reason, barring the current woke culture driven by activist infiltrating upper management, and that reason is usually profit.
As to your water shortage hypothesis, it is flawed in that more agriculture expansion is almost always driven by population expansion. If the demand wasn't increasing, the effort to increase supply wouldn't be there. Overpopulation is a key factor in water and food shortage. Here is a simple test for you to try at home. Adopt a puppy and feed and water it for a week. Add another puppy and measure the increase in pet food and water usage, then add ten more puppies a week for as long as it takes for you to see the pattern. You will soon learn what a massive increase in population does to the demand for food and water. Then you will understand that AG use of water is directly tied to population increases.
Where's the common sense in your post? You are ignoring the fact that the native born population here is aging, and there aren't enough younger workers to fund social security and Medicare. There are not enough workers willing to perform the difficult manual labor jobs in farm fields, road construction, and other similar areas. The US is not overcrowded at all.
Most of the opposition to immigrants I see is rooted in the same suspicion and bigotry that was directed towards the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, and other groups over the past 150 years. It's an illogical, visceral, reaction to something that doesn't match the background and beliefs of the opponents.
I haven't seen any realistic suggestions from immigration opponents on how to resolve the issues, and building a wall is not a solution, just a means to enrich friends of powerful politicians. Not once have I seen a suggestion on resolving the economic and social issues that drive people to leave their countries and make dangerous journeys in an attempt to better their lives. Keep in mind that many of those social and economic decisions are caused by long term US policy in the region, dating back to the banana wars, where US Marines were sent to various countries to protect the business interests of companies like United Fruit.
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France, Germany, the UK, etc have all allowed large numbers of immigrants, or refugees, to come in. Hungary is an easy place to go to.
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They CANNOT fix their home countries. What do you tell a woman who has seen her husband and some killed by corrupt police and her daughter raped by gang members to do? Go protest? Right, that just gets her killed. Or someone whose home was destroyed b y an earthquake or other natural disaster, and the needed supplies are stolen by the kleptocracy that runs the country or town. We have it really easy here as compared to many of the countries that immigrants come from. What's your suggestion to help fix those countries?
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I'll be dead when the younger people getting old happens, and won't care how it's resolved.
The US is not overcrowded at all. The water shortages are caused more by inappropriate ag use than anything else. There is no reason for any cotton, alfalfa, or rice to be grown in California or Arizona.
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What do you mean by "no more farming"? I did not say that. I said to stop farming inappropriate crops in areas where water is an issue. There is no reason for water intensive crops like rice, cotton, alfalfa, almonds, etc to be grown in California or Arizona. They are grown there now either because of high profit margins or to support the cattle industry. That needs to stop, and right now. Farmers need to adapt to reality of less water and higher costs for the water. Stop wasteful irrigation practices like center pivot sprinklers where a significant amount of water evaporates before hitting the ground, or field flooding from canals.
The US will need more immigrants at some point. That's just a fact.
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How do you fix a country where a corrupt government kills you, doesn't provide any real education, and allows criminals to control large areas of cities?
I'm too old to join the Peace Corps. I'll leave that to you. I've lived in third world counties, and did my share of helping then.
WRM20,
All of your comments are spot on. The ignorance in this country is depressing.
I wonder why the US government does not hold their countries' leaders accountable for the untenable, corrupt and genocidal conditions those immigrants are fleeing from. It's not the peoples's fault they have to run away to find safety. They are just trying to stay alive.
Sanctions are on Russia so why not Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, I forgot some. Is it because we do essential trade with them?
Because we created all that havoc and corruption in those countries....that's why.
We intentionally destabilized many of those central and South American countries.
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