I'm down on the Southern Border assisting Border Patrol (activist, education, solution)
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This is the sort of statement that makes me wonder if some people here have an issue with “illegal immigration” or just “immigration”. If people are really worried about “illegal immigration”, I would think they would have less resistance to increasing the allowed number of immigrants that can come to the US legally. But, I rarely hear anything along those lines….it seems like it is enforce the law, and don’t let anyone else in beyond what we currently permit. I get the impression from some of the rhetoric here, some people would be happier reducing immigration (legal or otherwise).
Why do you “wonder” America for Americans?
Americans can vote in national election, they can get government jobs, they can run for political office, they can get representative in case they get in trouble in other countries, and other benefits for being a citizen.
None of the benefits I just mentioned would not exist or exist equally for both Americans and non-Americans if what I said is not true
Would YOU really WALK thousands of miles with your children just to get freebies??? It's a journey of desperation not a weekend pleasure hike.The average human walking speed is 3.1 miles per hour. With children in tow it is significantly less. A some point they will have to stop to rest for a couple of days so that elongates their progress. It's a more gruelling thing than any US citizens could never imagine.
El Salvador is a 1663 miles from US Border.
Honduras is 1422 miles from the US Border.
Guatemala is 1509 miles from the US Border.
Imagine what could be accomplished if those people put that time and energy into fixing up their home nation. Instead of putting themselves and their kids in danger with a treacherous journey with thousands of unknown hazards along the way. Those millions of people from central America, stay at home and channel that drive into bettering their communities and nation. And nobody dies in the desert or cooked alive in the back of a tractor trailer. Win/win.
Where's the common sense in your post? You are ignoring the fact that the native born population here is aging, and there aren't enough younger workers to fund social security and Medicare. There are not enough workers willing to perform the difficult manual labor jobs in farm fields, road construction, and other similar areas. The US is not overcrowded at all.
Most of the opposition to immigrants I see is rooted in the same suspicion and bigotry that was directed towards the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, and other groups over the past 150 years. It's an illogical, visceral, reaction to something that doesn't match the background and beliefs of the opponents.
I haven't seen any realistic suggestions from immigration opponents on how to resolve the issues, and building a wall is not a solution, just a means to enrich friends of powerful politicians. Not once have I seen a suggestion on resolving the economic and social issues that drive people to leave their countries and make dangerous journeys in an attempt to better their lives. Keep in mind that many of those social and economic decisions are caused by long term US policy in the region, dating back to the banana wars, where US Marines were sent to various countries to protect the business interests of companies like United Fruit.
Per the bolded --- Uh huh And what happens when these "younger workers" age into SS checks? Do we bring in even more "younger workers"? Where does it end for you? How many people will be too many for you? 1 billion? 2 billion. Your proposal is nothing but a Ponzi scheme. We all know what happens to all Ponzi schemes---They end up spectacularly crashing down.
The US isn't "overcrowded"? You don't get out much, do you? You must also be unaware of the severe water shortages happening in the Southwest. You also must be unaware that not all empty land is buildable land. Sometimes the soil isn't conducive to supporting housing. Also, there may be no potable water on said land.
Are you aware that more and more crop picking is becoming mechanized? There are even machines that pick delicate produce such as raspberries. We don't need any illegals picking crops. Plus farmers have an agricultural visa program that doesn't have any caps on it.
So, it's all the US's fault that illegals are coming here? Get a grip. Seriously. We can't take in the entire third world.
Every FIRST WORLD nation on earth, including the US, has aging population due to 1) access to great health care = people live longer , 2) women has opportunities to work/career = less likely to have children or fewer children compare to the past, 3) more service jobs instead of laborious-intensive-agrarian society like many poor undeveloped nations where children can work in the farms
But how many of those first world nations are opening their borders to allow millions of migrants pouring in because “but but we need laborers” excuse? If allows milllions of illegal aliens to enter a country is such a fantastic idea and helps the economy , then how come other first worlds aren’t doing it?
France, Germany, the UK, etc have all allowed large numbers of immigrants, or refugees, to come in. Hungary is an easy place to go to.
Imagine what could be accomplished if those people put that time and energy into fixing up their home nation. Instead of putting themselves and their kids in danger with a treacherous journey with thousands of unknown hazards along the way. Those millions of people from central America, stay at home and channel that drive into bettering their communities and nation. And nobody dies in the desert or cooked alive in the back of a tractor trailer. Win/win.
They CANNOT fix their home countries. What do you tell a woman who has seen her husband and some killed by corrupt police and her daughter raped by gang members to do? Go protest? Right, that just gets her killed. Or someone whose home was destroyed b y an earthquake or other natural disaster, and the needed supplies are stolen by the kleptocracy that runs the country or town. We have it really easy here as compared to many of the countries that immigrants come from. What's your suggestion to help fix those countries?
Per the bolded --- Uh huh And what happens when these "younger workers" age into SS checks? Do we bring in even more "younger workers"? Where does it end for you? How many people will be too many for you? 1 billion? 2 billion. Your proposal is nothing but a Ponzi scheme. We all know what happens to all Ponzi schemes---They end up spectacularly crashing down.
The US isn't "overcrowded"? You don't get out much, do you? You must also be unaware of the severe water shortages happening in the Southwest. You also must be unaware that not all empty land is buildable land. Sometimes the soil isn't conducive to supporting housing. Also, there may be no potable water on said land.
Are you aware that more and more crop picking is becoming mechanized? There are even machines that pick delicate produce such as raspberries. We don't need any illegals picking crops. Plus farmers have an agricultural visa program that doesn't have any caps on it.
So, it's all the US's fault that illegals are coming here? Get a grip. Seriously. We can't take in the entire third world.
I'll be dead when the younger people getting old happens, and won't care how it's resolved.
The US is not overcrowded at all. The water shortages are caused more by inappropriate ag use than anything else. There is no reason for any cotton, alfalfa, or rice to be grown in California or Arizona.
France, Germany, the UK, etc have all allowed large numbers of immigrants, or refugees, to come in. Hungary is an easy place to go to.
That’s not what happening
Joe Biden and NATO/European Union accused Belarus of “weaponized” refugees after Belarus, Putin’s ally, sent ten of thousands refugees from Middle East across the border into Poland and EU. That’s a fraction of migrants we get here in the SWB in US
Interestingly, starting in 2043, the CBO projects that future population growth will be coming from immigration. The birth rate of individuals in the US will not be sufficient to offset deaths. So yeah, we actually do need to bring in more workers/immigrants to keep social security solvent. I thought that was pretty interesting.
Don't you get it? The Southwest has severe water shortages. More people means more demand for water along with more electricity, more infrastructure to support a growing population.
"to keep social security[sic] solvent". Yet, once again, what happens when those people age into collecting Social Security checks? Do we bring in even more? Keep doing that, then SS is nothing but a Ponzi scheme. Do you know what happens to all Ponzi schemes? They all come crashing down in spectacular ways.
I'll be dead when the younger people getting old happens, and won't care how it's resolved.
The US is not overcrowded at all. The water shortages are caused more by inappropriate ag use than anything else. There is no reason for any cotton, alfalfa, or rice to be grown in California or Arizona.
Well, of course, you don't care what happens in the future.
So, what do we do? No more farming? How are we going to feed an ever growing population?
Unlike you, I care about the future as I have grandkids.
Everyday, the US gets more and more overcrowded. You don't get that not all land is buildable land. Either the soil is not conducive to building or there is no water source there.
They CANNOT fix their home countries. What do you tell a woman who has seen her husband and some killed by corrupt police and her daughter raped by gang members to do? Go protest? Right, that just gets her killed. Or someone whose home was destroyed b y an earthquake or other natural disaster, and the needed supplies are stolen by the kleptocracy that runs the country or town. We have it really easy here as compared to many of the countries that immigrants come from. What's your suggestion to help fix those countries?
Yes, they can fix their home countries.
It's no easy task to do so but many other countries have worked to improve things.
Instead of working to better themselves (many from the banana republics are functionally illiterate and there is no excuse for that). They can start by educating themselves and their children. Yet so many refuse to do so.
We can't take in the entire third world without descending into third world status ourselves.
So...when do you plan to join the Peace Corps since you are so concerned about these countries/
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And what happens when these "younger workers" age into SS checks? Do we bring in even more "younger workers"? Where does it end for you? How many people will be too many for you? 1 billion? 2 billion. Your proposal is nothing but a Ponzi scheme. We all know what happens to all Ponzi schemes---They end up spectacularly crashing down.
