Why is Trump so Popular in Iowa? (Clinton, Perry: appointed, attorney)

[601halfdozen0theother]

Which means you are unable to define or expand on your terms.

Which means you support him for the reasons I outlined in my first and second posts in this thread.

[drinkthekoolaid]

Originally Posted by 601halfdozen0theother

Which means you are unable to define or expand on your terms.

Which means you support him for the reasons I outlined in my first and second posts in this thread.

Tell me how the mean orange man hurt your feelings. Was it the tweets?


You are projecting some sort of arrogant superiority that it's our job to prove you wrong. I couldn't care less what you think. In fact it's the same as me expecting others to prove me wrong why I don't like Biden. I don't care. You have your opinion I have mine. I don't need others to validate my own thoughts I'm secure enough in my beliefs.

I gave my opinion and that you simply cannot accept it without arguing about putting some burden of proof on me to prove why my opinion is accurate is laughable. Get real man.

[scatteredthunder]

Originally Posted by drinkthekoolaid

You are projecting some sort of arrogant superiority that it's our job to prove you wrong. I couldn't care less what you think. In fact it's the same as me expecting others to prove me wrong why I don't like Biden. I don't care. You have your opinion I have mine. I don't need others to validate my own thoughts I'm secure enough in my beliefs.

I gave my opinion and that you simply cannot accept it without arguing about putting some burden of proof on me to prove why my opinion is accurate is laughable. Get real man.

You listed things that you believe he has done, or traits he has demonstrated. It's not too much to ask how you came to those conclusions. If you're secure in your beliefs as you say, I would think you'd have no trouble doing that. I'd think you would want others to understand your POV. And people who are curious and open-minded want to understand other POVs and how people arrive at them. Hence the original post.

I mentioned my dad and my BIL. This is similar to how conversations go with them. They don't seem to be...idk, maybe self-aware enough to identify how they came to their conclusions and have a discussion about it. I think that more than anything specific about Trump, they like the feel of the catchphrases and the concepts of what those represent personally to them.

Anyway, back to the point. How is Trump more "pro America" than others? How is he more patriotic than others? It seems like he's mocked armed services members and overall gives the impression to me of someone who only appreciates the country for how much money and fame it has given him. "Woke agenda" - well, I'm not going to touch that, but it seems like any Republican candidate would have a similar opinion. Same with "putting America first". That seems like nothing more than a tagline/buzzwords. "Down home middle American values" - what?? Seriously, Trump is as far from that as you can get. I don't see him as someone who has any concept whatsoever of middle America life, struggles, or values.

How does Trump demonstrate these characteristics more than other politicians - particularly other Republicans? Why support him over the others?

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by CBOTfan

Why is Trump so popular in Iowa?

I have no F'ing idea. I can't believe there is a slice of Iowa voters who adamantly feel he is the best all-around representative of the United States of America. I recall the days when Presidents (at least publicly) upheld and represented the most admirable characteristics of the country and it's people.

Disclosure: I'm registered "no party" in this state.

More likely that their lives suck and they want to stick it to the elitists who are doing better in life than them. Nevermind the fact that we all lose in that calculus. It's the mentality that if I'm going down, I'm taking you with me.

[artillery77]

Originally Posted by 601halfdozen0theother

Which means you are unable to define or expand on your terms.

Which means you support him for the reasons I outlined in my first and second posts in this thread.

Dude...go for a walk.

[artillery77]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

More likely that their lives suck and they want to stick it to the elitists who are doing better in life than them. Nevermind the fact that we all lose in that calculus. It's the mentality that if I'm going down, I'm taking you with me.

No it isn't. If you don't know, ask, but accept the answers.

[sheena12]

Originally Posted by 601halfdozen0theother

Well, someone has drunk the Koolaid!

Please define specifically how he is "pro America". Be specific.
Please define specifically in what ways he has shown himself to be "patriotic". Be specific.
Please define specifically what you mean by the "woke agenda". Be specific.
Please define specifically what you mean by "put America first." Be specific.
Please define specifically what "down home middle American values" his life and behavior reflect. Be specific.

I would rep you again too, but I can't. I am from NY. Now I live in Ohio. I've been to your state a few times.

The Trumps were not very religious. In the 1950s and early 1960s, church membership was the norm, and it was also a place to make business contacts and connect with the well-connected. The Trumps went on holidays and attended occasionally. This was the norm for the 1950s.

First, New Yorkers are more like other Americans than many people think. Trump is not like most Americans or New Yorkers. In so many ways. Let's start with this - he was married 3 times, and never to a peer. Most people marry someone who grew up similarly to the way they did and, grew up less than an hour from their spouse. I have a little more knowledge of the Trump family than the average New Yorker because my mother's aunt and uncle lived in Jamaica Estates, a wealthy enclave of Queens, a suburban part of NYC. My great-aunt taught the Trump children Sunday school at First Presbyterian Church of Jamaica Estates. This was not an Evangelical or Fundamentalist church. Nothing like the mega churches of his working-class constituents. No speaking in tongues, rock bands, or burley men with baseball caps and patriotic tee shirts. Quite the opposite - Brooks Brothers suits for men, Talbots clothes for women. No camo shorts, for men or oversized tee shirts and leggings for women. This is mainline Protestantism, not emotional Evangelicalism. They are very different. The daughter and the other son, Fred, were respectful and helpful students. Donald went to Sunday School "kicking and screaming". He was no choir boy.

Trump's first wife Ivana, was from Eastern Europe. Not a hometown girl. The average house in Jamaica Estates, while not lavish, is over a million dollars. It's a beautiful area, but not average. Large, 1920s houses, colonials, and Tudors.

Trump in New York was not particularly patriotic. He went to a private elementary school and was kicked out in eighth grade - The Kew Forest School, in Forest Hills. He was expelled for bullying and unspecified violence towards a teacher. Fred Sr. was proud of his behavior. He called him a "Killer". That was a compliment in the Trump family.

After Kew Forest, Fred Trump Sr. had a hard time finding a private school that would take his badly behaved son. The usual elite, old money, boys prep schools did not want him.

From real estate and other "business" dealings, Fred Trump Sr. was referred to the decidedly un-prestigious New York Military Academy. (now defunct) There were elite military academies in NY at the time. This wasn't one. It was little more than a place to ship off your rebellious, violent, "hood" son so he could get a High School diploma. They were infamous for accepting the sons of mob-connected families. As long as the family had the money, NYMA would take them.

Trump's parents brought "ladies of the evening" to young Donald. Yes. I find this very abnormal and immoral. I think most people would. Until the 1980s, he wasn't popular with women. Even though abortion wasn't legal in the early 1960s, Fred's connections spared the family the embarrassment of a child born out of wedlock. He was never anti-abortion, and is reported to be responsible for many pregnancies and subsequent abortions. On YouTube there is a video of Trump saying that he is "pro-choice" and would support Hillary Clinton for President.

The Trumps were registered Democrats. They were sued by the Nixon administration for misappropriation of funds and violating the Fair Housing Act. The Trump Corporation won a bid to build middle-class housing. They were reported for their refusal to rent to qualified black applicants.

The Trumps appear to have an aversion to the military. In four generations and two countries, (The US and Germany) no Trump man has served in the military. It's a family tradition! One left Germany to avoid WWI, then tried to return but was expelled for draft dodging. He got out of serving in the US also because he was a German citizen.

I find it very odd that no Trump served in WWII. Thirty and Forty-year-olds, out of patriotism. were enlisting in WWII, especially after Pearl Harbor. Not one Trump enlisted. That is odd. WWII was a very popular war. Look at your own family. How many of you don't have grandfathers, uncles, or fathers in your family who proudly served in WWII?

I would never say that the Trumps were a "Patriotic" family. They serve themselves.

Down home, middle American values? It depends upon how those are defined, but multiple marriages, divorces, affairs, and adultery, do not strike me as "down home middle American values".

In NYC as in many places, wealthy families are usually involved in volunteer work and charity. The Trumps, especially Donald, hated charity. He is on record as saying it was for "losers". Unfortunately for them, entrance into NYC Society is heavily dependent upon supporting a charity, a cause, a hospital, a university building, or the patronage of the arts. Donald Trump was annoyed by this. Donald would attend the Charity ball to be seen, but not donate to the charity. Not very civic-minded or generous.

Donald Trump is just not a wholesome person. This is all a political ploy.

Donald Trump has a special dislike for the country. Most people know that MOST of New York State is NOT New York City. It's rural, with mountains, lakes, caves, the Atlantic Ocean, rivers, and lots of agriculture, Trump is on record for saying how much he hates "The Sticks", hillbillies (part of NYS is in Appalachia) country bumpkins, and the woods, Other than NYC, he has no use for the beauty of his home state, and he has contempt for rural people.

Most New Yorkers are proud of the beauty and diversity of their state. Other than golf, I don't think Trump is involved in any outdoor activity.

So this is Donald Trump, his values, his lack of values, and his beliefs.

Donald is an odd duck to say the least.

[jtab4994]

Originally Posted by sheena12

...Donald went to Sunday School "kicking and screaming". He was no choir boy.
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Trump is awesome!

[gemstone1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheena12 View Post
...Donald went to Sunday School "kicking and screaming". He was no choir boy.
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Trump is awesome!
QUOTE=jtab4994;66290048]Trump is awesome! [/quote]

And that fact makes him awesome ? Kind of a low bar isn't it ?

[sheena12]

Originally Posted by gemstone1

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheena12 View Post
...Donald went to Sunday School "kicking and screaming". He was no choir boy.
...
Trump is awesome!
QUOTE=jtab4994;66290048]Trump is awesome!

And that fact makes him awesome ? Kind of a low bar isn't it ? [/quote]

Yes. They are attracted to all of the criminal, sociopathic, infantile, and narcissistic "qualities" that trump exhibits/ Somehow, they think a morbidly obese geriatric baby demon who enjoys poking fun at the disabled and hitting female teachers, is a sign of the ability to run a country.

You think Trump is anti-abortion? He LOVED abortion. He was a regular customer at the Park Med clinic throughout the 1980s, although, not a client.

So much trump DNA was disposed of in that place, that I wouldn't be shocked if his spawn didn't proliferate in Kipp's Bay. He was an abortion addict. Go on Youtube.

So much for "Middle American Values", or "NYC values", - termination of pregnancy was never meant to be a method of birth control.

He spent the greater part of the 1980s getting Farmer's Daughters, Beauty Pageant Runner Ups, and Eastern Bloc Country women pregnant after dancing in the ghastly green-tinged glow of Limelight.

The only person in history to bankrupt a CASINO for heaven's sake. Not a rocket scientist.