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Old 09-22-2012, 05:10 PM
 
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What I find terrible about Muslim idolatry is the fact that moderate Muslims seem to have no idea they are accountable for the actions of violent Muslims. They are accomplices to murder if they don't speak up against their violent brethren. And they won't speak up because they are afraid to do so. I'm sorry but the sad truth is Muhammad's Islam runs on terrorism from start to finish. Allah in the Quran himself uses terrorism to terrorize Muslims into belief. No other Abrahamic sacred text has as many hateful verses as the Quran where Allah is going to send this or that unbeliever to fiery hell. And repetitions of "Allah is all merciful" are just window dressing for all the verses threatening Muslims with dire consequences if they do not follow Muhammad's book. It is so against humanitarian concern and rationality as to be a joke in our times except it isn't. We've got over a billion Muslims who are dangerous to everyone else because Muslims won't control Muslims. They are afraid to which is why there's no real public outcry against Muslim violence against innocents.

I really like the idea of Islam but as a Christian of Jewish descent I would hope to see some day Muslims actually live up to the word "Islam" in its true meaning which is not, "Surrender to God" but "Surrender to God as Peace." Shalom, Salaam, all derived from the god of peace, Shalom. Without that peace component Islam only replicates the religious warfare of Judaism and Pauline Christianity.
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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What I find terrible about Muslim idolatry is the fact that moderate Muslims seem to have no idea they are accountable for the actions of violent Muslims. They are accomplices to murder if they don't speak up against their violent brethren. And they won't speak up because they are afraid to do so. I'm sorry but the sad truth is Muhammad's Islam runs on terrorism from start to finish. Allah in the Quran himself uses terrorism to terrorize Muslims into belief. No other Abrahamic sacred text has as many hateful verses as the Quran where Allah is going to send this or that unbeliever to fiery hell. And repetitions of "Allah is all merciful" are just window dressing for all the verses threatening Muslims with dire consequences if they do not follow Muhammad's book. It is so against humanitarian concern and rationality as to be a joke in our times except it isn't. We've got over a billion Muslims who are dangerous to everyone else because Muslims won't control Muslims. They are afraid to which is why there's no real public outcry against Muslim violence against innocents.

I really like the idea of Islam but as a Christian of Jewish descent I would hope to see some day Muslims actually live up to the word "Islam" in its true meaning which is not, "Surrender to God" but "Surrender to God as Peace." Shalom, Salaam, all derived from the god of peace, Shalom. Without that peace component Islam only replicates the religious warfare of Judaism and Pauline Christianity.
Yes there are Surat that dwell on the punishment of hellfire. To understand this one need to understand the time the Qur'an was revealed. Along with how the Quran was revealed. the Qur'an was revealed over a 20 year period. Each one at a different time. The people being spoken to were not Muslim, the majority being idolaters and extremely brutal. Arabia was a very savage land at the time. The audience present very often only heard one surah. The Surahs were directed as warnings to them.

As for Muslims not condemning the Terorist, There are a few threads addressing that. Muslims world wide do protest and most Imams do preach against terrorism at the Mosques. Vut, there is seldom any media attention when we protest.

Also, the potential Terrorists are not known to attend any mainstream Mosques, if they do attend any. they do not identify themselves and most of us will never come in contact with a potential terrorist. However, mainstream Muslims, which are most of us are very much against terrorism or any violence.

Keep in mind we do not have any ordained clergy and no central leader. Mosques are individual and financed by the local community and in many cases by just one person or one family. We are low budget, we do not tithe and each Mosque relies on local resources. In Saudi and some of the other Monarchies the royal Family usually builds and maintains the Mosques. In other places it is often the Imam who builds and maintains the Mosque.

The majority of us are pacifists.

Here is a youtube video that virtually every Muslim has seen many times. Copies of it are given out at almost every Mosque. this is what we are taught as Islam.




it is available in nearly every language. It is one of the most common Videos a Muslim will ever see.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I don't mean to imply for a moment that any of you are radical muslims, or that you can speak for them. With that in mind, I ask a question:

Why is it that we never see any muslims protest, kill people, burn down buildings, etc...because someone makes a film that makes fun of Jesus? Your religion considers Jesus to be a prophet, right? If I'm not mistaken you consider him a greater prophet than Muhammed, right?
For me personally, ALL the Prophets are equal as they shared an ultimate goal: to spread the message of God among other things. The reason I don't protest not any members of my community is because its not going to accomplish anything nor does it make the world any better off.

Instead of protesting period, I choose to focus on the important aspects of my life and to those people who ask questions about my faith and are willing to listen to me, I respond back to the best of my knowledge and try to learn a thing or two about their faith.

Getting to know each other and becoming more informed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Protesting a YouTube video made by some jerk who wanted to incite the extremists
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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I don't mean to imply for a moment that any of you are radical muslims, or that you can speak for them. With that in mind, I ask a question:

Why is it that we never see any muslims protest, kill people, burn down buildings, etc...because someone makes a film that makes fun of Jesus? Your religion considers Jesus to be a prophet, right? If I'm not mistaken you consider him a greater prophet than Muhammed, right?
Why would religious extremists from any religion care what happens to another religion? Very poor question.Seems like you are trolling and i am a Christian.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:49 AM
 
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Why would religious extremists from any religion care what happens to another religion? Very poor question.Seems like you are trolling and i am a Christian.
its a valid question.
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Old 09-29-2012, 05:17 AM
 
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Actually we consider all of the Prophets to be equal. We do not see the Jesus of the Bible as being Jesus(as)in Arabic Isa(a.s.)

We see the NT as presenting a corrupted image of Isa(as) and made a fabricated Man-god out of one of the most loved of Prophets. To support the Jesus of the bible would be supporting a false god and be the sin of shirk.
I was going to drop the subject of your statement that Muslims consider all of the Prophets to be equal. Then Obama told the U.N. that “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Who do you think millions or billions of people believe he was speaking of ? Moses, Jesus, Muhammed, or one of the other 'equal' Prophets ?

Another question is, what does it mean to slander Muhammed ? Is saying he did not deliver the word of Allah a slander ?
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I was going to drop the subject of your statement that Muslims consider all of the Prophets to be equal. Then Obama told the U.N. that “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Who do you think millions or billions of people believe he was speaking of ? Moses, Jesus, Muhammed, or one of the other 'equal' Prophets ?

Another question is, what does it mean to slander Muhammed ? Is saying he did not deliver the word of Allah a slander ?
Reading that I can only assume Obama meant Muhammad(PBUH) as that is the Prophet most people associate with Islam.

Since Obama is not Muslim and I have not read his speech, I have no idea what he means by slander.of Muhammad(PBUH)

As for a person saying they do not believe Muhammad(PBUH) did not deliver the word of Allah(swt), I doubt if many Muslims would see that as slander. To myself a person who slander's Muhammad is a person who professes to be Muslim, bit does not follow Islam or any person who spreads hateful and insulting lies, with the intent of perpetuating a fallacy about Muhammad(PBUH)'s Character.
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Reading that I can only assume Obama meant Muhammad(PBUH) as that is the Prophet most people associate with Islam.

Since Obama is not Muslim and I have not read his speech, I have no idea what he means by slander.of Muhammad(PBUH)

As for a person saying they do not believe Muhammad(PBUH) did not deliver the word of Allah(swt), I doubt if many Muslims would see that as slander. To myself a person who slander's Muhammad is a person who professes to be Muslim, bit does not follow Islam or any person who spreads hateful and insulting lies, with the intent of perpetuating a fallacy about Muhammad(PBUH)'s Character.
He was referring to that anti-Islam video that set off the protests. His point was to separate the US in general from the people in the US who actually made the film. Unfortunately, people do have a tendency to assume that just because one or several of a group/religion/country do something, everyone else in that group/religion/country must automatically think the same way.
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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He was referring to that anti-Islam video that set off the protests. His point was to separate the US in general from the people in the US who actually made the film. Unfortunately, people do have a tendency to assume that just because one or several of a group/religion/country do something, everyone else in that group/religion/country must automatically think the same way.
Thank You. I had no idea what was being refereed to. I found Obama's UN speech on youtube but could not understand it. I don't get much out of videos I have to see things in print. My ears are too old, and have exceeded their warranty.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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He was referring to that anti-Islam video that set off the protests. His point was to separate the US in general from the people in the US who actually made the film. Unfortunately, people do have a tendency to assume that just because one or several of a group/religion/country do something, everyone else in that group/religion/country must automatically think the same way.
Very good post, Mighty. You explained that very well.
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