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Old 11-03-2014, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Springfield
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... I'll also ask him how he plans to compensate us for hanging us out to dry this last week.
What type of compensation would you be expecting?
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Old 11-03-2014, 04:27 PM
 
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As I've said before, factually, he already offered me the job. Of course my friend has his email address. I've already explained why I haven't emailed him. Again, it's a lot easier to blow off an email, text, or phone call than it is to blow off a person standing right in front of you.
Let's consider the facts here.

1) While looking at your friends phone you saw that the CEO Cousin said tell your friend he has the job
2) The CEO Cousin is no longer offering either one of you a job


The reasoning behind why number 2 happened doesn't matter. Even if he gave you a job and fired you after 5 minutes, that's legal in just about every state in the US. You can certainly dislike it, but there's no obligation to let you work at his company unless a contract stating as much was signed(the legal definition of a contract has not been met here by the way). And FYI, he has absolutely no need to compensate you for anything. If you're looking for that, you should probably just give up now.

So, demanding a why isn't something he has to give you. But let's say you want to get an answer out of him anyway and/or want him to give you a job.

You're not going to pressure him into this by cornering him. Your stance of "it's harder to blow off a person standing right in front of you" may be true, but it's going to make it much uglier and more definitive when he does it.

He obviously doesn't want to hire you right now. The reasoning behind that is something for him to know and it isn't something he wants to share or he probably would have. Maybe the company is about to perform layoffs because of some missed targets. Maybe he's keeping up appearances with the car but is really struggling financially and doesn't want to let that out.

Whatever the reason, no good will come from trying to corner someone and demand either a job or an explanation for why they won't hire you. Maybe things will change in the future and he'll reach back out to you once things clear up, but if you burn the bridge by pressing too hard, you're likely to regret it in the future.

Besides, why does it really matter what is reasoning is? He's not hiring you, that's all there is to it. If he texted you and told you he thought you were incompetent, would that make things better? What if he said they found someone else instead? Or he told you about the financial hardships they're facing?

Would knowing which one of those was the reason for not hiring you change your life? Since it probably won't have an impact, why get hung up on it?
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Old 11-03-2014, 04:39 PM
 
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Let's consider the facts here.

1) While looking at your friends phone you saw that the CEO Cousin said tell your friend he has the job
2) The CEO Cousin is no longer offering either one of you a job


The reasoning behind why number 2 happened doesn't matter. Even if he gave you a job and fired you after 5 minutes, that's legal in just about every state in the US. You can certainly dislike it, but there's no obligation to let you work at his company unless a contract stating as much was signed(the legal definition of a contract has not been met here by the way). And FYI, he has absolutely no need to compensate you for anything. If you're looking for that, you should probably just give up now.

So, demanding a why isn't something he has to give you. But let's say you want to get an answer out of him anyway and/or want him to give you a job.

You're not going to pressure him into this by cornering him. Your stance of "it's harder to blow off a person standing right in front of you" may be true, but it's going to make it much uglier and more definitive when he does it.

He obviously doesn't want to hire you right now. The reasoning behind that is something for him to know and it isn't something he wants to share or he probably would have. Maybe the company is about to perform layoffs because of some missed targets. Maybe he's keeping up appearances with the car but is really struggling financially and doesn't want to let that out.

Whatever the reason, no good will come from trying to corner someone and demand either a job or an explanation for why they won't hire you. Maybe things will change in the future and he'll reach back out to you once things clear up, but if you burn the bridge by pressing too hard, you're likely to regret it in the future.

Besides, why does it really matter what is reasoning is? He's not hiring you, that's all there is to it. If he texted you and told you he thought you were incompetent, would that make things better? What if he said they found someone else instead? Or he told you about the financial hardships they're facing?

Would knowing which one of those was the reason for not hiring you change your life? Since it probably won't have an impact, why get hung up on it?
Fact of the matter is, I have no idea why the hiring got cancelled or put on hold. It could be anything you suggested or a number of other things. Probably the only way I'll find out at this point, is if I ask and he tells me. I really don't see the harm in asking him. He is the one that said I was hired, he is accountable as far as I'm concerned for what he said.
And despite what others say, I do believe there is a chance this could still be worked out.
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Old 11-03-2014, 04:41 PM
 
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What type of compensation would you be expecting?
It depends on what he says. If he hired someone else, I would at least suggest it would be appropriate for me to be 'next in line'. If he just made a mistake and apologizes, I guess I would suggest he should pay for the beers we are drinking. It depends.
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Old 11-03-2014, 04:53 PM
 
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It depends on what he says. If he hired someone else, I would at least suggest it would be appropriate for me to be 'next in line'. If he just made a mistake and apologizes, I guess I would suggest he should pay for the beers we are drinking. It depends.
I know you want to keep your privacy here, but can you tell us what industry this company is in? Or what kind of products or services you would be selling? For example, is this in the financial industry? Telecommunications? Pharmaceutical? IT services? Or is this not consumer based at all and it's selling B2B (Business to Business)? Or possibly a US government contractor?

It matters because in some industries their outlook turns very quickly. Like if a large customer just canceled an order which is a huge chunk of their business, they could have an immediate cashflow problem and instead of adding people could be distracted with a layoff. As I mentioned before they could be declaring bankruptcy or trying very hard to avoid it, and they won't tell anyone about that who doesn't have a need to know.
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I believe a employment opportunity that is "factually offered" would contain at least three essentials:

1. The company name.

2. The prospective employees name.

3. The word "employment."

It doesn't sound like this exists.

Agreed, except that would be referred to as a formal offer.
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:07 PM
 
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I know you want to keep your privacy here, but can you tell us what industry this company is in? Or what kind of products or services you would be selling? For example, is this in the financial industry? Telecommunications? Pharmaceutical? IT services? Or is this not consumer based at all and it's selling B2B (Business to Business)? Or possibly a US government contractor?

It matters because in some industries their outlook turns very quickly. Like if a large customer just canceled an order which is a huge chunk of their business, they could have an immediate cashflow problem and instead of adding people could be distracted with a layoff. As I mentioned before they could be declaring bankruptcy or trying very hard to avoid it, and they won't tell anyone about that who doesn't have a need to know.
I already disclosed that it's heating and air conditioning systems. Heating systems in winter, air conditioning systems in summer.
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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I've already done this.



A couple other family members and my friends wife.



I don't know.



I've already answered that.



Speaking voice seems appropriate.



I'll ask him why he told both my friend and I that we were hired. I'll also ask him how he plans to compensate us for hanging us out to dry this last week.

Okay, now I get it. It's suddenly all clear to me. The op is pretending he has been wronged somehow in order to extract monetary compensation. Like pretending when you slipped on a slippery floor, but didn't fall, that it caused great physical harm and mental duress. It's all about $$$.
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:25 PM
 
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I already disclosed that it's heating and air conditioning systems. Heating systems in winter, air conditioning systems in summer.
Is there chimney cleaning involved?
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:31 PM
 
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As I've said before, factually, he already offered me the job. Of course my friend has his email address. I've already explained why I haven't emailed him. Again, it's a lot easier to blow off an email, text, or phone call than it is to blow off a person standing right in front of you.
Okay, got it; it is just easier to whine here a hundred times than shoot him an email.
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